Mr. Barnhorst.

In 1963. I didn't see the one in 1962.

Mr. Jenner.

Whatever room number he occupied on his earlier stay in 1962--appears on these records you have described?

Mr. Barnhorst.

Well; I would say it would be there unless it had been mutilated, and it's double checked by this Mr. McRee's secretary. He is the resident manager. It is double checked by her to see that all the stubs are matched by name on the checkin and all of the blue cards are matched by the name on the checkout, just in case there are two of them stuck together.

Mr. Jenner.

I hesitate to press you but in view of your great familiarity with the records, if you would not be horribly inconvenienced, it would be helpful to me if you would return with those registration records, because you know how to explain them, at 2 o'clock, with Mr. Hulen.

Mr. Barnhorst.

The photostats or the originals?

Mr. Jenner.

The photostats.

Mr. Barnhorst.

At 2 o'clock?

Mr. Jenner.

Please, and you would be in a position to say that the photostats that you produce are actually photostats of the records and cards that you personally saw in the YMCA.

Mr. Barnhorst.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And if you will return, then I will not close your deposition now, but I will wait until 2 o'clock. Thank you very much. I appreciate your coming in.

Mr. Barnhorst.

Well, I realize this is just details that you have to have.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Barnhorst.

I'll be back at 2 o'clock.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, thank you.
(At this point the witness Barnhorst was excused from the deposing room and returned to same at 2 p.m. on this same day, April 1, 1964, and his deposition was continued as follows:)

Mr. Jenner.

Now, the balance of Mr. Barnhorst's deposition. You thought you might be able to obtain some records for me, Mr. Barnhorst.

Mr. Barnhorst.

Yes, sir; I was not able to obtain the blue card record. The FBI has that. That's the notice from Mr. McRee in his handwriting.

Mr. Jenner.

"The FBI"--I am reading the note, "The FBI has the register cards for October 3, 1963. -1962 has been destroyed and we didn't keep them that long."

Mr. Barnhorst.

This is a sample register card Just for your own information.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Barnhorst has given me a sample of the blue "transient register card," which he described this morning. The card is entitled, "Transient register card." It has a stub entitled-"Transient," and is light blue in color. We will mark it Hulen Exhibit No. 8.

Mr. Barnhorst.

And that Toro, Calif.--I can identify that as a Marine base, believe, you've probably heard the name of it.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Barnhorst.

That would have appeared as an address on the blue card in October 1963, because that's the only place where Mr. Barker could have gotten the information.

Mr. Jenner.

The receipt as to that occasion which I have described in the record, dated October 3, 1963, Lee H. Oswald, 'opposite the word "address," does have "Tore, Calif." So, in the normal course, I take it that that address would have been furnished to the registration clerk, and in this case, Mr. Barker?

Mr. Barnhorst.

Yes; it would be on the blue card.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; the blue card, the sample of which you have furnished me?

Mr. Barnhorst.

Yes; also,. Mr. McRee, the resident manager, says that Mr. Oswald produced an identification card, which is not hard to believe because he could have simply claimed to have lost it, his ID, when he was in the service, and had them make him another one .and turn in the one he had made. I've seen fellows do that quite often. It is usually used for getting into PX's and USO's. This is from our ledger sheets, these I .have here that• are dated in the red left-hand column everywhere there is a red checkmark on there, Mr. Oswald's name appears with a receipt number, the amount paid, his last name, also that he never paid any membership fees, but only the room fees.