Mr. Jenner.

Did you speak with Marina?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; and she was an awful nice girl.

Mr. Jenner.

She was?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; she was.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she understand you when you spoke to her?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, she was--would. come out in her front yard--I sat in her front yard a lot and she would come out and bring the baby out and, of course, I think she could talk more English than what she put on she could, because he didn't want her to anyway.

Mr. Jenner.

How do you know that?

Mr. Tobias.

Because she told the wife that he didn't want her to learn it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she give any reason?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; she said people will be mean to her. She got acquainted with them. She got acquainted with them, and she used to come over to the house and sit with the wife a lot and the wife would talk to her.

Mr. Jenner.

And you moved in and around a lot, did you?

Mr. Tobias.

Do you mean me I was out around a lot?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; I mean you--you were around and you saw her with the child and you saw her in the apartment?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; I was around all the time there is no night that goes by before I got to bed that I don't make a trip around the house.

Mr. Jenner.

You had an accident; when was that?

Mr. Tobias.

In October, I think it was.

Mr. Jenner.

And were you confined in your apartment for quite a while?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; I was there a week before I went to the hospital and I was in the hospital a week or better, and then I come home and I didn't do much but lay around--I had an awful concussion.

Mr. Jenner.

That's what I understand--are you feeling better now?

Mr. Tobias.

Oh, I'm getting along all right now, only lost the hearing out of this ear.

Mr. Jenner.

But you did see Marina in and around your apartment and you saw her out in the walk, walking the baby and she was friendly, was she?

Mr. Tobias.

She was always friendly.

Mr. Jenner.

A very nice girl?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Clean and neat?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And attended to her child?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, she took care of her baby, that's for sure, and it was always clean.

Mr. Jenner.

And she attempted to be pleasant and talk to you people to the limited extent she was able to do, is that a fair statement?

Mr. Tobias.

I didn't hear you.

Mr. Jenner.

I mean, she would say a few words to you--she had a limited command of English?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

But you tried to communicate with her and she with you?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

At least to a limited extent?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, I talked to her and, of course, she wouldn't say nothing back and Oswald, I tried to talk to him several times and all I could get of him was a grunt. He was a kind of a guy that wouldn't talk to you at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that right?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; and he was a peculiar duck.

Mr. Jenner.

How did your other tenants feel toward Oswald?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, they didn't like it.

Mr. Jenner.

They didn't like what?

Mr. Tobias.

They didn't like the way he beat her all the time.

Mr. Jenner.

They complained to you that he manhandled her?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; there was one man that came over there one night and he told me, he said, "I think that man over there is going to kill that girl," and I said, "I can't do a darn thing about it." I says, "That's domestic troubles