President's Commission. Robert T. Davis, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Jenner.

I understand you suffered an injury in an automobile accident?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; I ain't as young as I used to be since that.

Mr. Jenner.

This is Mr. M. F. Tobias, Sr.?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And he lives at 602-604 Elsbeth Street, Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. Tobias.

Six two and six four.

Mr. Jenner.

And he lives with Mrs. Tobias and you manage an apartment building at that address?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right; the wife and I together.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you stand and be sworn, sir?
Mr. Tobias, in your testimony you are about to give, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Tobias.

I do.

Mr. Jenner.

Thank, you, sir.
Mr. Tobias, I am Albert E. Jenner, Jr., and I am a member of the legal staff of the President's Commission. I understand from Mrs. Tobias that you and she received a letter from Mr. Rankin, the General Counsel?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

With which was enclosed a copy of the Senate Joint Resolution 137 authorizing the creation of the President's Commission?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And of President Johnson's Executive Order 11130, creating the Commission and appointing it and fixing its powers and duties and obligations, and also a copy of our rules and regulations for the taking of testimony. From those papers, I assume you are aware of the fact that at least our general direction is to investigate all the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

In the course of doing that, there are many people who, in their pursuit of their livelihoods, came in contact with a man by the name of Lee Oswald, and we understand you folks did and I would like to ask you a few questions about it.

Mr. Tobias.

Go ahead; I'm willing to answer all I can.

Mr. Jenner.

You are aged what?

Mr. Tobias.

Sixty-seven.

Mr. Jenner.

You are a native-born American?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Born in Battle Creek, Mich.?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And your family--you raised two or three boys, as I understand it?

Mr. Tobias.

I've got two boys and two girls.

Mr. Jenner.

You have two boys and two girls and they are all adults and married now, I assume?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And you are retired at the moment?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And you and Mrs. Tobias manage this building on Elsbeth Street here in Dallas?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And in the course of your managing that building, you came in contact with a person by the name of Lee Oswald; is that so?

Mr. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me the circumstances?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, I can tell you one thing, he was a funny duck. He came up there maybe 3 weeks before he rented it.

Mr. Jenner.

He rented it on November 3, 1962?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; but he came there maybe 3 weeks before that.

Mr. Jenner.

That ,Would be in October. He was alone, was he?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; and looked at the apartment. I told him what I wanted