Mr. Jenner.

When you saw Oswald around your home during those months, how was he dressed generally?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, he always just had slacks and a T-shirt or a jacket on, you know, a sport jacket--I don't mean a sport coat like a jacket.

Mr. Jenner.

A zipper jacket?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes and a T-shirt. He most always had on a T-shirt--you didn't see him very many times without a shirt.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it he got into no discussions with you or your husband about politics?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; Lord, no.

Mr. Jenner.

As a matter of fact, he got in discussions with you about nothing?

Mrs. Tobias.

No, no; we had no contact with him. He just paid the rent and out he would go. He didn't make an effort to make a conversation even when he came to use the phone.

Mr. Jenner.

This is a furnished apartment?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Three rooms do your three rooms consist of a living room, bedroom, and kitchen?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes; with the kitchen and dining room combined.

Mr. Jenner.

A kitchenette?

Mrs. Tobias.

And it is all in one and then there is a bed in the wall in the living room.

Mr. Jenner.

That opens into the living room.

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes; the living room is real large, but the bedrooms are small. Now, the kitchen that he had is smaller than the one I have, some of them are smaller, but 'that's the eating area, the dining area in the kitchen.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, Mrs. Tobias, I can't think of anything else. I appreciate your coming up very much.
These depositions are written up and you have the right, if you wish, to exercise it, to read the deposition and to sign it. We don't insist on that at all and you may waive the signing of the deposition if you wish, and it's your option, to do either way you would prefer--if you would prefer .to read the deposition and sign it and you say so, the U.S. attorney will get in touch with you in due course and you may come in and read it and sign it.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, now, it doesn't matter to me because we would like to help you if we can and if we have been helpful and I tried to tell you exactly just what I know, which isn't very much help. I don't think we have been too much help because he moved out before all this happened.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, you never can tell how much help you have been. You have been of help to me and I appreciate it very much.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, my husband and I have been willing--we have had a lot of people there.

Mr. Jenner.

If you wished to waive the signing of the deposition, we can just send it right into Washington without troubling you to sign it.

Mrs. Tobias.

No; it is all right with me, because I have told you the truth.

Mr. Jenner.

Oh, sure.

Mrs. Tobias.

All that is there is the truth and I have told you all I know.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, thank you very much, and I will have your husband in now, if I may?

Mrs. Tobias.

Okay. Now, I couldn't swear that that .was who the guy was. Now, do you want me to leave the books with you?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; leave the books and we will give them to your husband. Tobias Exhibit No. 1 is offered in evidence.

Mrs. Tobias.

Okay.

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M. F. Tobias, Sr.

Testimony of M. F. , Sr. Tobias

The testimony of M. F. Tobias, Sr., was taken at 4:15 p.m., on April 2, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the