Mrs. Tobias.

Yes; she was a blonde.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she identify herself?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; she just asked which apartment Mr. Oswald lived in and I showed her and that's all I knew about it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she speak English?

Mr. Jenner.

About when was that, with respect to the other incident you have described?

Mrs. Tobias.

You mean between the two of them?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I don't know whether it was a week later or 2 weeks later, I just don't know. Just like I said, that if we had had any idea about all this, we might have put down dates.

Mr. Jenner.

Oh, sure.

Mrs. Tobias.

But I don't--I really don't know. When they don't find the party, they usually come to the manager, you see, and we try to help them if we can.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, going back to these conversations you had with Mrs. Oswald about her being Russian, was there an occasion when she talked to you about the fact that her husband didn't want people to know that she spoke Russian?

Mrs. Tobias.

She didn't say "speak. She said, "He doesn't want me to tell that I am Russian."

Mr. Jenner.

Why?

Mrs. Tobias.

She said, "Because people would be mean to me,"--she said they wouldn't be nice to her and they would be mean to her, and that was all said about that.

Mr. Jenner.

You reassured her?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I told her I didn't think that was true. I said, "I don't think that's true. I don't think anyone would be mean to you because I don't know why anyone should be." I don't.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she say anything about her husband saying that he didn't want it known that they spoke Russian or that she was Russian, because men. would come around?

Mrs. Tobias.

No, no; that was the only occasion--the only time that ever anything was spoken. She was pretty quiet herself.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they make any long distance calls?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; they didn't on our phone. They asked us--these were all local, but they were very quiet people. They seemed to stay to themselves, that is, they didn't mix with no tenants and the tenants said they never even cared to speak with them. They never seemed to want to speak.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the Oswalds?

Mrs. Tobias.

Didn't care to mix.

Mr. Jenner.

They didn't care to mix with other people they made no effort to become friendly?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; I guess my house was the only one in the building she was ever in.

Mr. Jenner.

And as far as he was concerned, he had little contact with you, did he, other than pay the rent?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; my husband went over and got after them about the noise. I didn't go with him. You could speak to him and he would look at you so funny--he just didn't have anything to say. I heard a lady describe him in an interview on TV and that was him exactly. I told my husband, she couldn't do a better job---because he was tight, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

He was tightlipped most of the time?

Mrs. Tobias.

Just as if his chin--just like that lady--I said to my husband, -"isn't that something how she described him?"

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever see either of the Oswalds-after they left your building?

Mrs. Tobias.

Oh, yes; they used to come back by, you see. I think I told you that my husband had had this accident. We have chairs--lawn chairs and we were sitting in the yard and she would come back by with the baby in her stroller and she would come up to the walk and smile.