Mr. Jenner.

Was anybody accompanying him?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; just Oswald, my husband and I.

Mr. Jenner.

How was he dressed?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, he always seemed to wear slacks and just a T-shirt.

Mr. Jenner.

Is it your recollection that on this occasion he was so dressed?

Mrs. Tobias.

Just a jacket and slacks and I just can't remember if he had on a T-shirt or if he had on a sports shirt or a dress shirt that night, but he wanted to see the apartment. My husband took him over, because we don't like to rent the apartments in the evening--we don't have to, but just a lot of times my husband will go ahead and show them, because they said we don't have to after 8:30 or 9 o'clock. My husband took him over and showed him the apartment and then he asked my husband if he could look around and my husband said, "sure."

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Oswald wanted to look around the apartment or look around the building?

Mrs. Tobias.

He wanted to look around the building. He wanted to go around the building. So, he looked at the back entrance, the way he could get out the back entrance now, that back entrance will go out, like I told you, this driveway it will take you out onto Davis.

Mr. Jenner.

The back entrance?

Mrs. Tobias.

The side entrance his side entrance, we'll say.

Mr. Jenner.

He was looking at the back entrance of his apartment?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, he went all through the back.

Mr. Jenner.

His apartment, which came in from the driveway?

Mrs. Tobias.

This is a driveway and down here in the hallway is the door. He wanted to see around in the back, he wanted to see the arrangement of the building, and how I was. There is a driveway that comes up off of Davis and back in here of the slab that they can park on. Of course, Mr. Oswald never had a car, and it just goes off onto Davis, but that is that driveway where I told you--this driveway goes all the way around onto Davis.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, the driveway, which up to the moment I have limited from Elsbeth Street--it turns and goes out into Davis?

Mrs. Tobias.

That's right. The driveway completely goes around.

Mr. Jenner.

I'm going to mark the west end of the driveway also--is that correct?

Mrs. Tobias.

The driveway goes out into Davis--that's correct.
So, it was a week later before he came back to rent it.

Mr. Jenner.

He waited a week?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You told him what the cost was?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, my husband told him that.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say anything about money at that time did you make any inquiry as to whether or not he was working, where he worked?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; Mr. Oswald was very quiet. He had very little to say, so when he came back, he told my husband he had a wife and child.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you present?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, I was there when he rented it.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you there when he made this statement that he had a wife and child?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, and when they came in--I didn't see anyone for quite some time, perhaps 10 days or 2 weeks, and I said to my husband, "I thought he told us he had a wife and child?" He said, “Well, he did."
We don't know when he moved in because he could have used that driveway to the back door--you understand what I mean?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Tobias.

And then, I suppose. it was about 2 weeks and then he got a phone call.

Mr. Jenner.

If you will pardon me, I would like to stay with a few of your earlier statements at the moment.

Mrs. Tobias.

All right.

Mr. Jenner.

When he first came and made the inquiry about the apartment

and made sthis short tour around the place--it was at night?