Mrs. Tobias.

Battle Creek my husband is from Michigan and I went there as a bride and I raised my family in Michigan, and we have been back here 12 years. We have been in Dallas back in Dallas about 12 years well, we have been back about 14 years, but in Dallas, Tex., you mean, for 12 years.

Mr. Jenner.

Your husband is retired now?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes; my husband was in construction and during the war he work for the government. We were just all over, but, of course, he broke his back--it will be 14 years ago in August, and he worked up until 5 years ago, so he had to give up 5 years ago, and he is on social security, of course, and that's why we manage these apartments.

Mr. Jenner.

And you have been primarily a mother raising a brood of five boys and a housewife and also help your husband manage some apartments?

Mrs. Tobias.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And connection with the management of the apartments, is t how you had your contact with Mr. Oswald?

Mrs. Tobias.

With Mr. Oswald that's right he had one of the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

Located where?

Mrs. Tobias.

Now, he was in 604----602 and 604 just like this is 604 over here and 602 is do here and there is one down and one up. Mr. Oswald lived in and we live over here in 2 and it faces Elsbeth. Do you want a description of it?

Mr. Jenner.

Let me get a piece of paper and let's draw a picture of it so can orient myself.

Mrs. Tobias.

Are you familiar with those apartments?

Mr. Jenner.

No; I'm not, I don't know a thing about them.

Mrs. Tobias.

We'll say now that this is Elsbeth this side runs down like this and then across.

Mr. Jenner.

Which is north and which is south?

Mrs. Tobias.

Let's see---this is west.

Mr. Jenner.

Put a "W" there.

Mrs. Tobias.

Let me see now, I want to make sure there is West Davis, but we were just on the corner of West Davis and Elsbeth, you see, that would west, wouldn't it, still--I don't know my directions.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, we will do it this way is this Elsbeth [referring to map drawn by the witness]?

Mrs. Tobias.

This is Elsbeth.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, write Elsbeth in there.

Mrs. Tobias.

All right. [Spelling] E-l-s-b- t-h, and this is Elsbeth and that side over hero is Davis.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, where is Davis Street?

Mrs. Tobias.

This would be Davis right there.

Mr. Jenner.

y don't you draw a line there for Davis?

Mrs. Tobias.

There's one apartment down and one up over that one this would be Davis over here.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, write "Davis" there.

Mrs. Tobias.

All right here is Davis. Now, Davis faces west, so what would this direction be this is direct west and east--Davis is.

Mr. Jenner.

Davis runs east and west?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes east and west and let me see Elsbeth would be north and south, wouldn't it?

Mr. Jenner.

That's right.
All right, let's put the directions on he put an "N" up here and an "S" down at the bottom.

Mrs. Tobias.

All right; I will put an "N" and an "S" down here.

Mr. Jenner.

And then put an "E" for east and a "W" to your right for west, and the "E" is to your left.

Mrs. Tobias.

Okay.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, how many apartments do you have in this building?

Mrs. Tobias.

Ten.

Mr. Jenner.

There are 10 apartments?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And what are they--two room, three room, four-room?