Mr. Graef.

of for what it's worth, is that at this point during his employment with us, he was very anxious for overtime work.

Mr. Jenner.

Is this the 4- or 5-month period you are talking about now?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; that's correct, which if I may assume, he needed the money. It was invariably Friday afternoon--and Saturday, of course, is an overtime day to us and quite frequently we run.. Saturday and Saturday work we do at time and a haft, which comes into play and in fact, invariably Friday afternoon he would volunteer and ask if we needed him the next day. Then, unfortunately, of course, as I have mentioned, his work didn't come up to the quality that we needed so it was very, very seldom that we ever brought him in unless we were in a real bad--had an urgent work that absolutely had to go, but he desperately wanted to be called in on Saturday for overtime work.

Mr. Jenner.

Did any of his work, or was there any occasion when his ability to operate an automobile arose?

Mr. Graef.

No; as far as I know, he never had one.

Mr. Jenner.

And there was no occasion in his work when he might have been called upon to drive an automobile?

Mr. Graef.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

So, you have no impression--I gather--as to whether he could or could not drive an automobile or how well he might do so?

Mr. Graef.

No. The only impression that I have is that he rode the bus almost everywhere.
I know--I'm pretty sure he did not have a ear and he used to ride the bus.

Mr. Jenner.

I show you Commission Exhibits 451, 453, 454, 455, and 456, and ask you to examine those and tell me if the man .who is depicted in those photographs bears any similarity or likeness to the man you knew as Lee Harvey Oswald? You might spread ,them out and it would give you a better view.

Mr. Graef.

Very slight; but to anyone who knew Lee, they would immediately say "No."

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever see him attired in the fashion that the man shown on those photographs is attired?

Mr. Graef.

No; I don't think I ever did, Now, toward the end of his employment, most of the time he used to wear a white T-shirt to work. I think he might have had a dark jacket over it.

Mr. Jenner.

A zipper jacket---lightweight?

Mr. Graef.

Something perhaps--but it was rather dark, I think, but not like this.

Mr. Jenner.

Is there in any discussion we have had possibly off the record which you regard as inconsistent with any testimony you have given here, and if so, what?

Mr. Graef.

Like what, for example? Now, when you say "inconsistent with any testimony," what do you mean?

Mr. Jenner.

Well, for example, that you might have said off the record that you were uncertain as to whether---when you first .interviewed him he was, in fact, with a suit coat with a shirt and tie, whereas, when I asked you on the record you were pretty firm about that sort of thing?

Mr. Graef.

Yes; I am pretty firm. No, no; all of this testimony that I have given you is factual and true.

Mr. Jenner.

There is nothing you have said on the record that is inconsistent with anything you have said off the record?

Mr. Graef.

No---it hasn't been--anything that I have said has been an opinion or formulations--it has Just been--it is just strictly as I remember it.

Mr. Jenner.

And to your best recollection, I have brought everything that was said off the record that is pertinent here and have got it on the record.

Mr. Graef.

Yes ;. I believe so.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Davis, do you have any questions?

Mr. Jenner.

Thank you very much, sir.

Mr. Graef.

Well, you are certainly welcome.

Mr. Jenner.

You have a right to read your deposition, if you wish to, or you may waive it. You have that right, and you may waive it if you wish. The reporter will let you know one way or the other.