Mr. Graef.

chance, you can make a mistake on one job or two jobs, and you always feel like you must--"Let's try it one more time," and this was my thought, because after all, there had been several months passed where we had brought him up to this point and I feel we gave him every chance or tried to give him every chance to make a success, and still he was falling down and making these mistakes---sizing errors and camerawork.
When he had to make these things over., he would be mad- at himself. He would go back and shoot it again, but it is obvious that he was taking twice as long when these things happened to produce one job because he was having to do the whole thing over again to get it right, that it couldn't be tolerated for much longer.
About this time, I think it was in April, we had. a fluctuation in business it dropped and I thought, "Well, .this is the time to let Lee Harvey Oswald--to let him go, so-I called him back into the darkroom one day and I said, "Lee, business is"----

Mr. Jenner.

When you say this conversation took place in the darkroom, was the room dark?

Mr. Graef.

There were dim red lights.

Mr. Jenner.

Why did you call him back in the darkroom rather than some other place?

Mr. Graef.

At the time it was the I didn't want to embarrass the boy.

Mr. Jenner.

This was a private talk?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Out of the presence of anyone other than yourself and Oswald?

Mr. Graef.

Out of the presence of anyone else yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And that was one of the reasons for your calling him back there?

Mr. Graef.

Yes. I don't have a private office. My desk is with the other people in the production of work, and I don't have any private facilities where I can talk to someone, and back in the corner of the darkroom, it is illuminated by red lights.

Mr. Jenner.

Are these infrared lights? Is that what you mean?

Mr. Graef.

No; they are just red neon lights that provide dim illumination, but at this particular spot in the darkroom, I can see when anyone is within 15 or 20 feet of me, and, of course, I could lower my voice and not embarrass him when I released him, so I said, "Lee, come on back, I would like to talk to you." So, we went back, and I said, "Lee, I think this is as good a time as any to cut it short" I said, "Business is pretty slow at this time, but the point is that you haven't been turning the work out like you should. There has been friction with other people," and so on.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say when you said that?

Mr. Graef.

Nothing. And I said, "This is, I think, the best time to just make a break of it." I believe I gave him a few days, and I said, "Feel free, of course, ,to make any calls. of the Texas Employment Commission where you came from originally," and I told him, "I think you tried to do the work, but I just don't think that you have the qualities for doing the work that we need."
And, there was no outburst on his part.' He took this the whole time looking at the floor, I believe, and after I was through, he said, "Well, thank you." And he turned around and walked off.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you had occasion. in your career to discharge other employees?

Mr. Graef.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And recalling the reaction of other employees, could you tell us your present view or opinion as to your, experience comparing your experience with the discharge of Lee Harvey Oswald with the discharge of other employees---was it usual and normal?

Mr. Graef.

Yes. I think it it was just about the usual. He might have, been perhaps a shade more quiet. There were no, questions asked about why I thought he wasn't qualified.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you think he was aware of?

Mr. Graef.

I think he was aware of it; yes.