Mr. Glover.

instance, it wasn't very clear how he stood. He made remarks which suggested that he didn't like, the way the Communists were treated. Very pointed remarks, sometimes.

Mr. Jenner.

He didn't like the way the Communists were treated?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; he didn't like the treatment that some Communists were given. I can give you an example.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean in this country or in the Soviet Union?

Mr. Glover.

Well, I was thinking of outside this country.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Glover.

So I would say that the whole question----

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say in that respect which gave you that impression?

Mr. Glover.

Well, I remember that at the time of Castro and Cuba, when the incident occurred of removing the Russian missiles----

Mr. Jenner.

Missile sites?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; he was very much upset about this and he was very angry at Kennedy for doing what he did.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say, as best you can give us in substance? I know you can't remember the words, but in substance, what he said.

Mr. Glover.

Well, the substance of what he said, he didn't like what Kennedy was doing at all. And the reason he gave, as far as I can remember, was the possible involvement in a nuclear war.

Mr. Jenner.

You seek to imply that De Mohrenschildt was opposed to what Kennedy was doing, not because of dislike for Castro, but rather that he feared we would be, those actions might involve us in a nuclear war?

Mr. Glover.

Well, in this particular point, yes. He also remarked which shows that he had sympathy with Castro---it is not possible for me to separate those exactly, but in this particular thing, I remember one time being very, very excited about the missile business in Cuba, and this business came up that that would lead us into a nuclear war. In other words, he was suggesting that he was sympathetic with Castro, at least I thought so--well, Castro is all right, he can't do say harm, he is just a little guy, and this is the general impression I got. Again, those may not be the exact expressions that he may have used.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you give me an example that he was sympathetic with what Castro represented?

Mr. Glover.

He certainly never, in my acquaintance with him, tried to make out a case for the Communist system against our system. It was just sort of his shouting off about this thing I just described. And also I remember one very distinctly, which I told the FBI. One time there was a cartoon in the newspaper which pictured Khrushchev with the face of a pig, a caricature, and George was very, very indignant about them doing that. And I said to George, well, he does look like a pig. And after all, the caricature has been around since the days of the famous Frenchman----

Mr. Jenner.

Lautrec?

Mr. Glover.

No; it isn't Lautrec. It's Daumier. I don't know, but that is what I was thinking, and he does look like one. And so he showed on this point that he resented something very much about this.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever get into any political discussions with De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover.

There is not very much I remember, because as I say, there was never any real discussion about such issues, that amounted to anything, but there were occasions when he seemed to agree to what I consider a reasonable view.
For instance, things in Russia at the present time. I recall one instance once before that there was a discussion--whether it came from a remark of a public figure in the press or somebody else who may have been present, but there was a discussion about the fact that under the Khrushchev regime things had loosened up somewhat in Russia. Whoever was responsible for it, I think it was a public figure at the time who was talking, said that it was very true, things had loosened up in Russia, but how does the Russian feel about this. The answer was that the Russians didn't feel that it is necessarily going to stay that way very long. I remember talking about this in the presence of George and he seemed to be quite agreeable on this idea.