Mr. Oswald.

next statement was at this time "I cannot or would not say anything because the line is apparently tapped."
I did not comment on that, and he rather carried the conversation for 2 or 3 minutes.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you repeat it to us as best you can recall it, please?

Mr. Oswald.

Sir, I do not recall this particular part of the conversation.

Mr. Jenner.

Just do your best.

Mr. Oswald.

I am sorry, sir, I just cannot recall that particular part of the conversation. I might comment on that particular part to this extent. That i felt that it was rather a mechanical conversation from his standpoint. He seemed to be speaking very fast, and there was approximately 2 or 3 minutes of him speaking in this nature. Then I took the initiative and-started speaking to him about the family.

Mr. Jenner.

His family?

Mr. Oswald.

About the family, including his family, my family. And also, at this time, when we talked about his family in particular--I believe my question to him was "What about Marina and the children?"
His reply to me at that time was "Don't worry about them. The Paines will take care of them"--that his friends, the Paines, would take care of them satisfactorily.

Mr. Jenner.

That Lee's friends, the Paines, would take care of them satisfactorily?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct. My reply to him on that was what he considered to be his friends were not mine.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he respond to that?

Mr. Oswald.

Not to my recollection, sir.

Mr. Dulles.

Were you the first member of the family to see him, or had Marina seen him the day before?

Mr. Mckenzie.

Both Marina and Marguerite had seen him before.

Mr. Oswald.

Earlier that afternoon, sir. I was the last member of the family to see him.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you say anything about the new child, Rachel?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you raise that, or did he?

Mr. Oswald.

I believe I did, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

What did you say?

Mr. Oswald.

I simply stated that I had seen the new baby and was not aware of it at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Not aware that the baby had been born?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he respond to that?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir, he did.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he say?

Mr. Oswald.

He smiled and stated he had hoped for a boy rather than a gift. His further comment was, "Well, you know how that goes."

Mr. Jenner.

He said nothing, I take it, then, by way of apology or otherwise that you had not theretofore been informed of the birth of this child?

Mr. Oswald.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

You record on page 13 of your memorandum---you use this expression: "I was not talking to the Lee I knew."
Do you find that?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I do.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you read that full sentence?

Mr. Oswald.

"He talked about the Paines as his friends and that they would take care of Marina and the children." Excuse me--I started too soon.

Mr. Jenner.

That is all right.

Mr. Oswald.

"I stated who he considered to be his friends were not necessarily mine. I did this to try to get through to him. To me his answers were mechanical and I was not talking to the Lee I knew."

Mr. Jenner.

Were you able to get through to him?