Mr. Oswald.

I indicated to her that I thought that that was not the thing to do.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you say that to her?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir, I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Affirmatively?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And what did she say in response to that?

Mr. Oswald.

I believe, sir, to the best of my memory she wanted to know why I did not want her to return with her children to Mr. and Mrs. Paine.

Mr. Jenner.

That is a normal response. What did you say to that?

Mr. Oswald.

As best I could I indicated to her I didn't think they were the proper or correct people for her to be associated with.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that is a term of conclusion, Mr. Oswald. Would you please tell us--were you more specific than that, or just say, "I don't think they are the proper people"?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir. It is very difficult.

Mr. Jenner.

Try and reconstruct this conversation as best you can.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Mr. Jenner, he is trying his best to reconstruct the conversation, and I think he has testified to the best of his recollection.

Mr. Dulles.

Are you tired at all?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir, I am not tired. Thank you, sir.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Let me ask you one question, if I may.

Mr. Jenner.

Could he answer the question I have just put to him first?

Mr. Mckenzie.

Surely.

Mr. Oswald.

May I, sir, in my own way?

Mr. Dulles.

Do you object to the question?

Mr. Mckenzie.

No, I don't object to it, Mr. Dulles. I don't think that Robert being a layman knows what a conclusion is insofar as the way the question was framed or insofar as the way it was responded to. And I think he is trying to answer your question.

Mr. Jenner.

I don't mean to suggest otherwise.
But the witness, as always--this is not criticism of this witness--they do tend to speak in terms of conclusions. I am seeking as best you are able to do to reconstruct this event and recite what occurred.

Mr. Dulles.

Would you restate the question, or rephrase it, whichever you wish to do?

Mr. Jenner.

When Marina indicated to you her desire to return to the Paines and live with the Paines, and you responded as you have now testified, that you thought that that would be unwise, and they were not the kind of people with whom she should reside, would you please call on your recollection so as to state, to the extent that you can, exactly what you said to her in that respect?

Mr. Oswald.

My recollection of that, sir--I stated to her, because of her limited knowledge of English, that no--perhaps with some hand signals accompanying my "no" that this was not the thing to do. And I perhaps pointed to myself and indicated let me help her on this line--something of that nature, sir.
That is the best I can do.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you indicate to her by sign or by expression or statement that you were suspicious of the Paines or that your reaction of that--was that Saturday night, did you say?

Mr. Oswald.

No, this was a Wednesday.

Mr. Jenner.

Wednesday night--had led you to have some reservations about them?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir. I perhaps attempted to give her some more indication on that. But due to the difficulty at that time of the language barrier, and her limited English, and she, I believe, was agreeable in accepting my explanation, no matter how brief it was--because, at this time, she was certainly looking to me for advice in trying to follow my wishes as best as I could get them over to her.

Mr. Dulles.

May I just add for the record that the Commission realizes