Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; I just wanted to verify that this was still under my date, original entry of December 6, 1963.
At the time I wrote the statement, "I still do not know why or how, but Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair," I meant by this statement that I had gathered that after our meeting of November 22, 1963, at the Dallas police station, to the date of December 6, 1963, that Mr. Paine and Mrs. Paine were separated, and that I had read approximately at this time and I am not sure that I had read this particular thing in the newspaper prior to December 6, 1963--but I feel like I did-that in a Dallas paper it referred to an incident at a Grand Prairie Rifle Range where some people had identified Lee as being at this rifle range, and that on one occasion a man, and the description was given in the newspaper, had handed Lee Harvey Oswald a rifle over this fence where he was standing inside the rifle range. As I read this description in the newspaper, I reached the conclusion from that description that it was Mr. Paine.

Mr. Jenner.

Any other basis that you now recall upon which you predicated the statement that, "Somehow Mr. and Mrs. Paine are involved in this affair."

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir; if the newspaper I react at that particular time is dated after December 6, 1963, the statement that I just read a few minutes ago, "I still do not know why or how, but Mr. and Mrs. Paine are somehow involved in this affair"-I made that statement then based on my meeting Mr. and Mrs. Paine at the Dallas police station on Friday night, November 22, 1963.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, would you please describe Mr. Paine as he appeared on that particular occasion-first, his physical appearance, and then follow with how he was dressed. Give his height, weight, color of eyes and hair, as you recall them.

Mr. Oswald.

I recall Mr. Paine to be approximately 6 feet in height. I do not recall the color of his hair. He is of slender build. Perhaps I would establish his weight around 160 or 165 pounds. His facial appearance was quite drawn-and this is a conclusion on my part, because I had not met him before--he appeared to be quite drawn in the face.
His eyes, I would say, would have to me a hollow look.

Mr. Jenner.

What color were his eyes?

Mr. Oswald.

I do not know, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You don't presently recall?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir; I do not.

Mr. Jenner.

You made no note of it at the time?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Jenner.

What was his complexion-ruddy, pale?

Mr. Oswald.

I would say his complexion would be ruddy complected.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he clean shaven?

Mr. Oswald.

To the best of my recollection, he was, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

No mustache, no beard?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

What else did you notice about his appearance? How did he part his hair? Do you recall?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir; I do not.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall whether he did part it?

Mr. Oswald.

No, sir; I do not. I believe this to be correct--that I never did get any higher than looking at Mr. Paine's eyes, and I do not believe I looked at his hair or above his eyes at any time.

Mr. Jenner.

How long were you with Mr. Paine on that occasion?

Mr. Oswald.

Approximately five minutes.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you ever seen Mr. Paine subsequently thereto?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes, sir, I have.

Mr. Jenner.

On how many occasions?

Mr. Oswald.

On one other occasion, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

When?

Mr. Oswald.

This would be approximately a Sunday afternoon in the middle of December 1963.

Mr. Jenner.

That would be approximately a week after you made this entry?

Mr. Oswald.

Yes sir. In the presence of Mr. Jim H. Martin, and Mr. John