Mr. Krystinik.

School and grade school, and from Fredericksburg to Grand Prairie, Tex. I went to high school in Grand Prairie, Tex. Graduated in 1950.
I went to work for Chance Vought Aircraft Aviation from high school. Went into the Navy in 1952, I believe. I don't remember exactly. I have to look it up. I was married in 1954. Got out of the Navy in August of 1954. Started to school at Arlington State College in September of 1954, and I graduated from Arlington State in June of 1956.
Went to Texas A&M, I think starting in January of 1957. I graduated from Texas A&M in June of 1960. On June 6, I went to work for Bell Helicopter. These are just approximate dates. I think they are just about right, but I am not right sure. If you need it, I can give you the exact dates.

Mr. Liebeler.

This is all right. What kind of work do you do for Bell Helicopter?

Mr. Krystinik.

I am a research engineer. I work in the research group.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your work relates to helicopters and their design?

Mr. Krystinik.

Actually right now; no. Right now, I am working on what I think the company could classify as a flying machine. Is that adequate?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes. When were you born?

Mr. Krystinik.

August 31, 1932.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you presently married?
Mr.. KRYSTINIK. Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any children?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes; I have three.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know Michael Paine?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you meet him, approximately? And under what circumstances?

Mr. Krystinik.

Approximately in June of 1961, if I remember correctly. I was assigned to the research group on a temporary assignment, and at the research laboratory I met Michael and worked with him then off and on up through now.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are working with him now?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did there come a time when you met Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us about that?

Mr. Krystinik.

I went to a meeting of the American Civil Liberties Union on the campus of SMU. I don't remember the date, except I do remember it was the night after Mr. Stevenson's unhappy visit to Dallas when the lady, I believe, swatted him with a placard.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was sometime in October of 1963?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes; it was October of 1963. Oswald was at the meeting, and Michael introduced me to him. He had told me about the man before.

Mr. Liebeler.

What had Michael Paine told you about Oswald?

Mr. Krystinik.

I mean told me that at the time there was a Russian lady living with his wife Ruth and that just exactly, I can't remember his exact words, but there was this fellow who was an ex-Marine who had defected to Russia. I can remember that he told me that, that he defected to Russia, and the fellow decided it wasn't for him and he came back to the United States. And was, in general, a misfit and not capable of holding a good job; generally dissatisfied, and didn't accept the responsibilities for his family, and Michael's wife had taken Marina to help her for the time being.
That was the reference made to him prior to having met him.

Mr. Liebeler.

To the best of your recollection, is that all Michael Paine told you about Oswald?

Mr. Krystinik.

At that particular time we discussed him---during that period of time Michael was eating supper with us on an average of once a week, and we discussed the man as being odd, or at least a little different. Michael said he couldn't understand the man exactly. He commented that he shirked or ran from responsibilities. As long as he had money and had a job, he was willing to stay around his family and support them, but when he lost a job and didn't have the money, he apparently took off. I can remember him telling