Mrs. Paine.

Yes; there is nothing I normally get in the storeroom--well, no; that's not strictly so. I hid birthday presents for--my little girl's birthday party was on the 16th of November--in there in the storeroom.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, that's an interesting development. When the birthday presents of your daughter, anticipating her fourth birthday on the 16th of November 1963, did you notice at that time the blanket wrapped package in the storeroom?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I did not.

Mr. Jenner.

And, in secreting those presents would you reasonably, necessarily have noticed that blanket wrapped package in that small storeroom?

Mrs. Paine.

I think I would have noticed it.

Mr. Jenner.

When did you remove those secreted birthday gifts from that small storeroom?

Mrs. Paine.

To the best of my recollection some were removed on Friday evening the 15th, and some on Saturday the 16th.

Mr. Jenner.

Was the blanket wrapped package which you have described last week, in that storeroom on either of those occasions?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

And would you have noticed the blanket wrapped package in that small storeroom had it been there?

Mrs. Paine.

I surely would have.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, Agent Howlett has called my attention to the fact that there is an opening in the ceiling of your garage which leads up to, as I see it now, crawl space above the garage which extends, I take it, the length of your house?

Mrs. Paine.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And, John Joe, what is that--2 feet by 2 feet?
Agent HOWLETT. Roughly--yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Has that crawl space opening been without a cover for some considerable period of time?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall its ever having had a cover.

Mr. Jenner.

And did you have occasion----

Mrs. Paine.

There was a fan in it for a while--is there now?
Agent HOWLETT. There's an edge of a fan sticking out.

Mrs. Paine.

It has been more recently moved over.
Agent HOWLETT. It's actually 1 foot 9 inches.

Mr. Jenner.

Rather than 2 feet by 2 feet. Was that fan in place in the fall of 1963?

Mrs. Paine.

To the best of my recollection it was--yes.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it, however, that that fan is a movable fan?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Which you can push up and slide over easily?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Are you able to do it yourself?

Mrs. Paine.

I never have.

Mr. Jenner.

So, you don't know its heft or weight?

Mrs. Paine.

I can lift it from the floor, I know that about it, but I have never tried to lift it with my arms up.

Mr. Jenner.

And is it a fan made for that particular spacing?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Or, is it really a floor fan that you sometimes use in your home itself and then sometimes place over that opening to draw the heat out, I guess it would be, wouldn't it?

Mrs. Paine.

It's a portable fan.

Mr. Jenner.

It's a portable fan, and is it your recollection that on the morning of the 22d of November that fan straddled the opening in the ceiling?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

You have no recollection one way or the other?

Mrs. Paine.

None.

Mr. Jenner.

Since it is portable, it might have been moved back and, if moved back, the blanket wrapped package could have been stored up there, correct?

Mrs. Paine.

It could have been.