Mrs. Paine.

P-o-n-d-e-r-s [spelling]--Ponder is the name, but it is the brick house on the southwest corner of Fifth Street and----

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, that's east.

Mrs. Paine.

The southwest corner of the crossing of Fifth Street and whatever it is--you know, Westbrook.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that the crossroad?

Mrs. Paine.

In other words--yes--it's directly diagonal from the Randles.

Mr. Jenner.

Is it southeast and at a diagonal across the street from your home?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; or, it may have been down the street farther the other way, or I may be confused with what Mrs. Roberts told me about where he parked when he first came to talk with her.

Mr. Jenner.

Let me ask you: Did you see his car, his automobile on that day--November lst?

Mrs. Paine.

I believe I did--yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you watch him leave the premises and just watch the two men drive away?

Mrs. Paine.

There was only one the first time.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I can't recall. But I would think it likely that I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Where was Marina on that occasion?

Mrs. Paine.

She was in the living room with me.

Mr. Jenner.

Was she beside you?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you both looking out the window?

Mrs. Paine.

To the best I can recall.

Mr. Jenner.

And had you so desired, could you have seen the license plate on Agent Hosty's automobile on that occasion, to wit, November lst?

Mrs. Paine.

Not with 20-40 vision.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have 20-40 vision?

Mrs. Paine.

It's 20-40 or 20-50---I forget.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have an opinion as to whether the license plate could have been seen with 20-20 vision?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't have an opinion.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Agent Hosty pass in front of your house?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, facing as you are, onto Fifth Street, do you have that recollection now as to whether the FBI automobile passed when Mr. Hosty left and drove away, did it pass in front of your house?

Mrs. Paine.

My best recollection is that I had already taken my attention elsewhere, that I didn't try to notice, and certainly I did not notice whether he passed in front of the house.

Mr. Jenner.

At any rate, you did not look at the license plate?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

And seek to ascertain the number?

Mrs. Paine.

No; I did not.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether Marina did?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether she could have?

Mrs. Paine.

That's possible she might have if one can see that with normal vision.

Mr. Jenner.

So that on the November 1st date, you are unable to fix definitely whether she did or didn't, or could or could not have seen the license plate and the number of Agent Hosty's automobile?

Mrs. Paine.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you give us your best judgment in the premises as to whether she did--you had some feeling of her presence on that day, have you not?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I certainly didn't see her write anything down.

Mr. Jenner.

And what was your impression, if you had any?

Mrs. Paine.

I have none.

Mr. Jenner.

You just weren't thinking of license plates at all?