Mrs. Paine.

Well, in the sense that Lee had at least applied for a passport to get him to Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

You are rationalizing from the fact that you know now that he applied for a passport?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

You conclude from that that she must have known of that application and the fact that he received it?

Mrs. Paine.

And, of course, that is rationalization.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the only basis on which you make that statement? That is what I am getting at.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I think that is all.

Mr. Jenner.

What is your opinion as to whether Marina Oswald would tell the truth and the whole truth under oath in response to questions put to her?

Mrs. Paine.

I would expect that she would make a dedicated attempt to tell the truth. Just looking at the amount of time I have testified, as opposed to the amount of time she testified, relative to the amount of things she knows and the amount of material that I have that is of any use to the Commission, she could not have yet told the whole truth, just in terms of time.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that may be affected---of course, you must understand--by the questions put to her and the subjects that were opened on her examination.

Mrs. Paine.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

But subject to that, it is your feeling that she there is a-----

Mrs. Paine.

Subject to that, I really cannot answer. I don't know what her attitude is towards her situation, which is a rather remarkable one in this case.
I would guess that it is helpful to her telling the whole truth that Lee is now dead. I might say I am affected in that judgment by having been present when she could not positively identify her husband's--what was thought to be his rifle at the police station, whereas I read--and perhaps it is not so--but I read that she positively identified it here at the Commission.

Mr. Jenner.

But you were present when she, in your presence, was unable to identify with reasonable certainty that the weapon exhibited to her was her husband's rifle?

Mrs. Paine.

That is right.

Mr. Jenner.

And you attribute that largely to the fact that his now being deceased has in her mind released her, so that she may without fear of implicating him, were he alive, to speak fully her opinions on subjects such as that?

Mrs. Paine.

That would be my opinion.

Mr. Jenner.

I See. Did she ever express any fear of Lee Oswald?

Mrs. Paine.

No; she never did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she ever express to you any fear that he might do something, and I use the vernacular again, crazy?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

I think we have covered this, but to be sure, did she ever mention to you that Lee had anything to do with the Walker incident?

Mrs. Paine.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

That she suspected it?

Mrs. Paine.

Absolutely nothing.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, since you are now aware of what has come out with respect to that, does that also affect your opinion as to her sense of truth or sense of frankness?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, it affects my opinion on how close we were as friends. I never asked her to be frank or discuss such a subject, of course, because I would not have known to bring it up. Not telling me about something is quite different from telling me something that is misleading to the whole truth of the situation.

Mr. Jenner.

In other words, are you seeking to imply that her failure to mention the General Walker incident and Lee Harvey Oswald part in it, if he had any part, that that was understandable to you--that would be understandable as of that time, having in mind your relations with her?

Mrs. Paine.

No; it is not understandable to me. I feel it is only explained--the only explanation I can find, when I look for one, is that she did not feel terribly close to me, or did not know just what I would do with such information. She may well have suspected that I would feel it necessary to take immediate