Mr. Jenner.

And she rather than Lee?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Calling upon your recollection, is there anything you have not testified to on that particular subject----

Mrs. Paine.

Of things he had told me himself?

Mr. Jenner.

That is right. That emanated from him.

Mrs. Paine.

I don't think of anything.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I will then ask you the same question as to Marina--that is, tell us everything else you can think of that you have not already told us that you learned about Lee Oswald's sojourn in Russia, that you might have learned through Marina.

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I did learn that they applied for a passport for all of them, that it was a long time coming--no particular length of time mentioned. That they went to Moscow first and then by train, I gather, to Holland, and then by boat to New York City, stayed there a day or less, and came directly to Fort Worth. She mentioned to me, as I testified, that they had borrowed money for the payment of their steamship passage.

Mr. Jenner.

Borrowed it from the State Department?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall that she mentioned from whom. Just that they had borrowed it and paid it back. She said that Lee had an apartment by himself in Minsk, which was unusual.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she say it was unusual?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; she said it was unusual. That, in fact, it caused a little bit of resentment from those who didn't have so much privacy. And I gather that she moved into it after they were married.

Mr. Jenner.

That is a fact, at least according to her testimony.

Mrs. Paine.

I have spoken to some extent of her aunt and uncle that she lived there. Is this relevant to your question?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; it is relevant to Representative Ford's question, which I ghosted to you.

Mrs. Paine.

She liked her aunt very much, and commented to me several times that it was interesting that this particular aunt was no blood relation at all--it was the uncle that was the blood relation. But that this aunt was her favorite aunt. And they had many good conversations. Marina would go out on a date, and then come back and tell the aunt all about it. Marina commented that the aunt did not work, which she also said was unusual.

Mr. Jenner.

Unusual in what sense?

Mrs. Paine.

That most women in Russia both did work and had to financially.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that--did you infer from that that her uncle had a position in Russia that enabled him to supply funds so that his wife did not have to work?

Mrs. Paine.

That was the impression it left me with, yes.
She also said of her aunt that her aunt kept her floors spotless, and her whole house beautiful all the time. You want all the recollections I have of their time in Minsk?

Mr. Jenner.

Anywhere in Russia.

Mrs. Paine.

Including her family background?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

Well, I knew because I had filled out forms for her at Parkland Hospital that she was born at Archangel. From conversation with her, I know she was born 2 months early.

Mr. Jenner.

She was a 7-month baby, somewhat premature?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; and her mother had bundled her up in great swaths of clothing to bring her from Archangel to Leningrad, when she was a tiny baby. I learned that the grandmother had been with her, I judge later in Archangel, when they lived there again, and was part of her upbringing. Her mother had some medical job--I never did understand.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean job in the sense of position?

Mrs. Paine.

Position. I never did understand how responsible this was--whether she was a medical doctor or what her position was. Marina described the time when her mother died of cancer, and that also her grandmother died before the year was out of cancer, also.