Ford said that she and her husband were to go to Washington, and when. And I said when I would be back home, and Marina implied that she might try to contact me then. I am hopeful that she will. I don't have any particular plans to attempt to contact her.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have any feeling other than charity in your heart for Marina?

Mrs. Paine.

Oh, yes; certainly. I like her very much as a person. This doesn't mean that I understand her, that she is a person to whom I feel automatically kindred. She was raised in Soviet Russia. She has a background very foreign to my own. I am not even aware of some of the kinds of differences this may cause. I do think that she is a good thinker and a free thinker and that she thinks for herself. I was interested to note what I have put into the record, I believe, yesterday evening about her comment to Mr. Hosty, the first time he came to the house, that she thought Castro was not getting an entirely fair press or not being pictured well in this country, to present a contrary opinion in this situation, and an independent opinion, possibly, clearly unpopular, or she could well suspect it would be unpopular with the FBI agent showed a certain amount of independence and courage and self-confidence, I felt, more what I would expect of an American than of a person raised to be fearful of secret police and state domination.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have anything you want to add in this connection?

Mrs. Paine.

Just the observation that her view of herself and of what she should do now that her husband has been accused of assassinating the President of the United States must be very strongly affected by the fact that she was raised in Soviet Russia, not here, but the, fact that she is an emigre hopeful of staying, but by no means native.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she ever talk to you, I think you mentioned before that she was hopeful of staying. Did she express that to you?

Mrs. Paine.

On several occasions.

Mr. Jenner.

And of ultimately becoming a citizen of the United States?

Mrs. Paine.

She didn't mention that, but I assumed it.

Mr. Jenner.

You assumed it from the nature of the conversation?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; I didn't hear anything specifically stated about that until I read it in the paper after the assassination.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to limit it first not to what you read in the paper and your being influenced thereby, but from your contacts with Marina, and the conversations that you had, there must have been many, many of them.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

In your home. Do you have a feeling that she has a hope or desire or an intention eventually to become. a citizen of the United States?

Mrs. Paine.

I don't recall that specifically. I recall on several occasions that she----

Mr. Jenner.

I am seeking only your impression now.

Mrs. Paine.

I will try to answer it by giving these impressions. She expressed many times her wish to stay in this country. She wanted to raise her children here. She was interested in June's learning English and was very concerned that June be able to speak English before she entered school. Indeed, I felt she was not enough concerned that June maintain a bilingual background. She wouldn't have cared if June only learned English, whereas, I, here struggling hard to learn Russian, thought that June could have a chance to learn it easily, but her expression of interest was in June's learning English and not any particular desire to maintain a bilingual quality.

Mr. Jenner.

I would share your feeling. I wish I had the command of more than English. I would like very much to do so. I took a lot of Spanish, but it is completely gone now.

Mrs. Paine.

It is very hard to be truly bilingual. Few children have the opportunity.

Mr. Jenner.

I have just a couple technicalities on the diary and on your address book, so I can establish them for the record. I would like to go through Commission Exhibit 401, which is the calendar. The entry on page 3 of the exhibit in reference to Lawrence Hoke that is your brother-in-law? Oh, that is your nephew?