Mr. Jenner.

When you visited her on March 9, was it at her present home in Richardson, Tex.?

Mrs. Paine.

No. I had asked Mrs. Ford if I could come and make a tape recording at her house with her reading a Russian beginning reader text onto the tape so that I could use this to improve my pronunciation and to use it with my one Russian student, and she said she would be glad to help me with that recording, glad to help any time when someone wanted to learn Russian. We neither one could do it that week, but she called me back a week later and said that she thought it would be nice if Marina made the recording, since Marina----

Mr. Jenner.

This was volunteered on the part of Mrs. Ford?

Mrs. Paine.

This was volunteered on the part of Mrs. Ford and she suggested that I come to her house on March the 9th and we would go from her house to Marina's house and make a recording and, of course, I was pleased with the opportunity to see Marina whether or not it involved making a recording that night.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. This was at night?

Mrs. Paine.

It was in the evening; yes. As it turned out, we stayed at Mrs. Ford's. We did not go to Marina's house. Marina said to me----

Mr. Jenner.

Marina was at Mrs. Ford's when you arrived?

Mrs. Paine.

Was at Mrs. Ford's when I arrived and we stayed there the entire time during the visit. Marina explained she didn't have her furniture yet in her house and she would like to wait and invite me when she had her own home as she wanted it, and this, I think, is quite accurate. She likes things to look nice. I think she was pleased to have a home of her own.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you gifts have a general conversation apart from your immediate objective of having a recording?

Mrs. Paine.

We had primarily a nice visit. We did then do a recording, also. As it turned out, Mrs. Ford did the reading, because Marina really needed to take care of June, who was there, also.

Mr. Jenner.

Was your impression of Marina at that time that she was friendly or at least that she was not averse?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes. She was friendly. She said she was fearful that I might be angry with her for her not having answered my letters, and by making reference to the content of several of the letters I answered my own unspoken question as to whether she had received them. She had.

Mr. Jenner.

She has?

Mrs. Paine.

She recognized each of those things to which I referred.

Mr. Jenner.

Things she mentioned during the course of this meeting?

Mrs. Paine.

Indicated that she had received my letters.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; indicated to you that she had received them.

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; and she said she was fearful that I would be angry with her for not having answered. But she said that Mr. Martin had advised her not to write to me or reply, and that she hoped I had understood that something of this nature was affecting her, and that this was why she was not writing. asked about the change from having Thorne as a lawyer and Martin as a business advisor, to Mr. McKenzie as a lawyer, and she thought that was a good and necessary change, was relieved that this was being done. I said that I had talked with Mr. Thorne.

Mr. Jenner.

When was that?

Mrs. Paine.

It was the first Friday or Saturday in January.

Mr. Jenner.

Of this year?

Mrs. Paine.

Of 1964, and I asked him whether she, whether Marina, had delegated power of attorney to anyone, and Mr. Thorne told me no.

Mr. Jenner.

Why did you make that inquiry?

Mrs. Paine.

Why did I make that inquiry?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

At that time? I was concerned. I had no idea what sort of men these were or what arrangements they had made, and it seemed to me I had heard that Thorne had told me himself that he conducted all his business with Marina in English, and I thought this cannot be very detailed, because I knew her English to be quite poor.