He was opposed to segregation, was he?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Of course, he was opposed to segregation. He wanted complete equality of rights because those people are just American as everybody else so it is really one of the worst problems we have.

Mr. Jenner.

I appreciate that, but I am trying to find out what his views were.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; he is completely in accord with President Kennedy's policy on the subject. That is why it doesn't make exactly sense. He has no reason whatsoever, to our knowledge. Maybe he had something inside which he never disclosed to us, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, there have been interruptions yesterday and today in which we have been off the record and we have had some discussions. Is there anything that you have said to me or I have said to you off the record, that is, not when it was taken down, that I have failed to bring out that you might regard in any degree pertinent to this investigation?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, the only thing, the question I actually brought up yesterday, it was not about Oswald. I mean in my thinking it was. I think you should investigate Ruby inside out because it just doesn't make any sense. That is what bothers me.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know Jack Ruby?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

Otherwise known as Jack Rubinstein?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Never heard of him.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you or your husband ever frequent or were you ever in the Carousel Club or any of those night clubs?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

That he operated?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

Were people in the Russian colony, including yourself, disposed to attend that sort of thing.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; not at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever hear Oswald mention the name Jack Ruby or Jack Rubinstein?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I never heard him mention that. I don't recall ever hearing it. I didn't know of his existence.

Mr. Jenner.

You say that Oswald was a temperate man, I mean as far as drinking is concerned?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, yes; he wouldn't drink.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you ever seen Jack Ruby in the flesh?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

I mean apart from newsreels?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. TV? No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Marina ever mention Jack Ruby?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; not that I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Was anything ever said that led you to believe or indicated that either he or she separately or together had ever frequented any of Jack Ruby's places?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Nothing at all. The only link I am searching for is that I don't believe Jack Ruby did it because of his good intentions. I think there is something behind that killing. That is all there is to it. Until it is proven, I remain with my opinion, let's put it that way.

Mr. Jenner.

But your opinion is formed on what you have read in the newspapers?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; that is the only thing I know.

Mr. Jenner.

And not on any actual facts you know anything about?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No, sir; and, also based on the natural deduction because I adore mystery stories and it just doesn't make any sense. The whole evidence just points to---the thing is much too simple. How could it be that if Oswald did it, could he be that completely stupid to leave the plans, according to the newspapers we learn of the march route of the Kennedy thing. Wouldn't

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