tough, you know, just thinking of their work, sportsmen or something, you know. Some field that they are interested in and that is it. She seems to be exactly opposite to everything. She wasn't a sports girl at all. She didn't have any particular desire for anything, you know. She didn't have determination and goal or anything like that in her life. She was just loving, you know, absolutely opposite, and when she told us how they behave in Russia, that was absolutely too--I never thought that. I thought they were very, very proper and very----

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say about how they behaved?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, these sort of orgies, you know, wild parties, and things like that that I would never think that youth would be busy with because we saw some youngsters in Yugoslavian companies in the camps, we saw the healthier ones and the bad ones stayed in the city probably, but they were all just like Scouts, you know, just like we were brought up, interested in sports or in collections or something, you know. They had wonderful healthy interests.
And Marina was exactly opposite all of these things. In fact, in spite of that, she was a pharmacologist, that means she has a good head. But somehow she was not at all what I would picture as a Soviet girl. It was entirely opposite, and maybe she is an exception, or maybe they all are, I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

And she related to you these wild parties and orgies in Minsk? Was that in the presence of Lee?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; I don't think so. Lee was there very, very little, because he was always working or something. One evening I talked with her very long when she came over to go to the dentist, and the baby was asleep and George was asleep, and she wanted to talk, and we sat down and had some wine and she could smoke all she wanted and she had wine that she wanted. So she told me quite a lot of things. I was really sorry for her.
I gave her a nylon nightgown and a little nylon coat that went on and she was sitting and touching it, "Can you imagine me wearing that," you know.
It was to her something out of this world, to have such things on her. That was sort of touching, you know. She really is pleasant. You cannot be very angry with her.

Mr. Jenner.

You have testified for quite awhile. Now, tell me what kind of a person she was? What is your definite impression now? You have told me she told you about these wild orgies. When you use that expression I assume they were parties of----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Sexual orgies. I mean the things that would never occur to us.

Mr. Jenner.

In this country?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In this country. I would say China, too. I was brought up in China and never heard of such things, you know. Youth never acted like that at all.
So it definitely looks like a degeneration, you know, definitely degeneration.

Mr. Jenner.

You found her, while you knew she was a pharmacist----
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You immediately noticed that she was ignorant, let me say?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. In bringing up the child?

Mr. Jenner.

In bringing up this child?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Absolutely.

Mr. Jenner.

That she fed her sugar and water?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Milk and sugar.

Mr. Jenner.

Milk and sugar and was unattentive as to cleanliness with the child?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The child was more or less clean, but with this pacifier thing.

Mr. Jenner.

The pacifier would fall on the floor, she would pick it up and stick it in the baby's mouth?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No; first she put it in her infected mouth and then in the baby's mouth, it was even worse. That is what I objected. Pick it up off the floor. The floor was less germs than her infected teeth, but she was not

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