We were very mad about it, too.
I said, "For God sakes, if we are to help them, I cannot race to Oak Cliff to help them with this or that"--if she had to go to the doctor. Why wouldn't they take a little place near us, it will be much easier for me to help her.
He had some reasons to live far away.
I don't know if anybody else mentioned that to you. That was everybody's impression. For some particular reason, he moved all the way out.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me of her personality.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think I told you as much as I can. At the same time, in spite she is lazy--well, it is her upbringing, that is the way she was brought up. But she was a very, very pleasant girl. And she loved life, and she loved the United States, absolutely. We would drive on the streets, she would just--oh, that is the United States.
That is maybe why I like her, because she give me the impression she felt like I felt when I came in. She said she was always dreaming to come to the United States. She looked at those pictures with big, big houses and everything.
Did I tell you how she met Oswald, according to her?

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It was in the town of Minsk. There was some kind of apartment houses, supposed to be very, very good. And she saw that house and thought, "How wonderful if I just go there to visit in that apartment house."
And Lee happened to be living there. And I think Lee was sick. And she sort of nursed him out, or something like that. That is how they met.
And I don't know--but it is very possible that she was very much influential in making them come back.

Mr. Jenner.

Come to the United States?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Come to the United States.

Mr. Jenner.

That was the impression you obtained from her?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, yes.
On the other hand, he was also disappointed. He wasn't as excited as he was when he went over there, from the impressions we get from him.

Mr. Jenner.

From your contacts with him, you had the impression he had been disappointed in Russia?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I asked him, "Why did you come back, if you were such a brave big hero and you threw the passport?"
And as she told me, "In the American Ambassador's face in Moscow."
He said, "Here is your passport, now I am going to be a Soviet citizen."
And I said, "How come you are back?"
He said, "I didn't find what I was looking for."

Mr. Jenner.

Oswald said that?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That was Oswald's answer. "I didn't find what I was looking for."
So, to me, the answer was the stupid kid decided to be obnoxious, and thinking he was a big hero went over there, and learned the hard way, burned himself, and decided to come back, and our Government was wonderful to help him at the time. And he was very conscientious about paying the debt, very conscientious. He paid it back, I think, the first thing, out of the first salary, in spite how hard it was for them to live. Those are the things.
And I don't know of anybody saying anything good about him. And that made me a little mad. Nobody said anything good about him. He had a lot of good qualities. He had a lot of terrible qualities, but certainly to compare him with that horrible Ruby--Oswald had a lot of good qualities. And if people would be kinder to him, maybe, you know--maybe he wouldn't be driven to be so, and wouldn't do anything like that. I don't know whether he did or not, anyway. But he would not be involved in it.
But I have the impression that he was just pushed, pushed, pushed, and she was probably nagging, nagging, nagging.

Mr. Jenner.

You found her to be a nagger?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; oh, yes; she ribbed him even in front of us.

Mr. Jenner.

She did?

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