were pulled, she was not in condition to go back. She was the same way--very lazy. And I just couldn't understand it--a young person. Maybe she was ill. We talked about it--maybe we have just too much energy. For a young girl to sleep late, and not to be active.
The proof of her laziness is that she didn't do much about learning English, in spite I gave her the records, and we gave her one of our little phonographs. I had beautiful records to learn English--I bought them in New York when I arrived.

Mr. Jenner.

Is it that she was lazy that she didn't pursue learning English, or did Oswald object to her learning English?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. According to her Oswald objected, and he also told us himself that he wants to speak with her in Russian, because he doesn't want to forget Russian.
But then we got onto Oswald.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me about it now.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He didn't want to forget his Russian. That was his reason--not to let his wife learn English--because she was the only person he could speak Russian to.

Mr. Jenner.

He could still speak Russian to her, even though she learned English, couldn't he?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Of course, that is what we told him. We said, "You are crippling her, she has to learn English. She cannot live in this country without the language, she cannot do anything." He was strange in many, many ways.
But he never appeared to be violent or anything. He was a little violent once, when we came to the point that we said we are taking your wife and child away. That is the only time he showed real nastiness.

Mr. Jenner.

Please.
You reached the point where you and your husband took Marina and the child out of the home and away from Oswald against his objections.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Against his objections. Actually, we talked him into doing it peacefully.

Mr. Jenner.

And where did you take Marina and June?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We took Marina and June to the house of Meller.

Mr. Jenner.

Anna Meller?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Anna Meller, yes. Very poor people--they put the baby's crib right in the dining room and everything. That is how nice people were, trying to help her. That was supposed to be temporary until we find another place where she could live with somebody for 2 or 3 months. We were trying to put her with Ford, with Declan Ford's wife, because she had a big house, and she had a newborn baby. But she is not a very easygoing person She refused. I was furious with her that she refused, because she really could take Marina very nicely.
And I believe finally she was talked into it, and she had Marina maybe for a little while with her. I don't know. I am not sure.

Mr. Jenner.

In October or November?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Maybe, yes. I don't even know.

Mr. Jenner.

But why did you take Marina from the home?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Because he was beating her, and we didn't think it was right. We thought that a separation for them--they will decide whether they really love each other, they cannot live without each other, or they forget about each other. But that was absolutely useless to continue to live the way they were.
In fact, Bouhe had the same idea, but he was afraid to do it. He was always afraid of Lee. Naturally, being a bachelor--perhaps, Bouhe's type of is afraid of his own shadow--there are people like that.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, he is an older man.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think he saw a lot in his life, maybe.

Mr. Jenner.

He is not a man of great physical stature, like your husband?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That is it. Lots of things contribute to the personality.

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