Mr. Liebeler.

You thought he spoke Russian better than you would expect a person to be able to speak Russian after only living there only 3 years?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; I really did. I don't know, maybe Russian easy. I know American is very difficult language but I been taught here. Really, it's just too good speaking Russian for be such a short time. you know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you anything about how he learned to speak Russian or did he just say it was from being in Russia?

Mrs. Ray.

No; I never asked. Only things, I give him credit he speak so well Russian and I don't ask and then I want to introduce him to my husband, you know. He is an American and my husband did not remember him very well how he look and my husband, I guess, have few drinks and he is talk much. This Oswald don't say much and you introduce and that's as far as go but he always constantly staying very close to his wife, you know.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell us the rest of your conversation with Marina or with Oswald as best you can recall it.

Mrs. Ray.

Well, after she told that she don't have any difficulty and we decided that everything is getting better and we started asking her about Russian songs and they start to sing in Russian, songs, and asking her sing. if she know any latest Russian song, and she start sing and we sing with her together and then I notice that's all been say as much conversation.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask her where she lived when she was in Russia?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; I ask her where she come from. She said she come from Minsk but said later she coming from Moscow. She been in Moscow with her husband. He has a paper fix and she said as soon as he got his paper fix to go to America, said she did not have difficulty. He told them he ready to go and he going to take her with him and said she got paper and they left. Don't take too long; said he have to wait for little while. I believe she said a year, have to wait before he got his paper.

Mr. Liebeler.

Before he got his paper from the Americans or from the Russians; did she say?

Mrs. Ray.

No; from Americans to go back to America; so he decided to go back to America.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you how long they stayed in Moscow?

Mrs. Ray.

She stayed 1 year.

Mr. Liebeler.

She said they were in Moscow 1 year?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; see, from Minsk he have to go in Moscow to American Embassy to talking he wanted to go back and they staying year in Moscow before he got this paper and as soon as he got paper, he let Russian Embassy know he got paper, they ready to leave and said they give her paper and they left.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Russians gave her the papers?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina mention she had lived in Leningrad at one time?

Mrs. Ray.

No; not that I remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you know or did she tell you she had relatives in Kharkov?

Mrs. Ray.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you learn what kind of job Oswald had while he was in Russia?

Mrs. Ray.

Well, not exactly; all I know she said he working on factory, some factory and we don't get any details.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did they tell you where this factory was located?

Mrs. Ray.

Located what?

Mr. Liebeler.

Where was the factory that Oswald worked in?

Mrs. Ray.

In Minsk.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald work while they stayed in Moscow a year? Do you know about that?

Mrs. Ray.

No; I cannot help in this. I do not know. I know that they coming and stay in Moscow.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you sure that she told you they stayed in Moscow for a whole year or did they just go to Moscow to see about the papers and then come back to Minsk and wait in Minsk for the year to go by?

Mrs. Ray.

Well, really, when Mrs. Ford call us, she on telephone told us that