Mr. Jenner.

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. Captain Gordunio Nounio. I can't spell name. Can we just say presidential pilot?

Mr. Jenner.

Whenever you say anything, it gets on the record. Now, you have to tell us how to spell it. Spell it phonetically, as you understand it.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. G-o-r-d-u-n-i-o N-o-u-n-i-o.
They were giving him--the Mexicans were giving him a big farewell reception sort of party at the airport. And, of course, it was guarded, and nobody could get in there. He said, would you like to see Mikoyan? I said, of course I would.

Mr. Jenner.

Who said that?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The pilot.
I said, of course, we would like to see him. It would be a lot of fun to see somebody from real Russia, not just the immigrants. So then George wanted to go, too, to start with. And I said, "You better don't go, because it will be misinterpreted, it can be misinterpreted. If I go, they know very well I cannot do any harm, but if you go it may hurt you businesswise." People in Texas are very narrow-minded.
So I went in the morning. He picked me up at the hotel. We went to that reception. I did it out of sheer curiosity. I wanted to see the crowd, I wanted to see the people, I was looking at women. It was, of course, pathetic. Women don't even look like women.

Mr. Jenner.

Who are you talking about?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. The Russian women, at the reception. The Russians are supposed to be good looking people. They were not even good looking. There was only one man that was good looking. He was in some kind of uniform. I don't know what his rank or what it is, because I don't know the uniforms. There was only one handsome man in the whole tremendous crowd. And then we went all the way to the plane. I was with the captain, and he was very close----very good friend of Mikoyan. We came over. I didn't say one word in Russian all the time, I was speaking English. And then we came over to the plane.

Mr. Jenner.

You went out to the airport?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. To the airport, when he was already leaving, after making all the speeches and everything. We went with the captain to say good-bye to Mikoyan, at the plane. They had the Russian plane standing there, the cameras, TV's. And he introduced me to Mikoyan, this is my friend Senora De Mohrenschildt. And I take his hand and said----

Mr. Jenner.

You spoke in Russian?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes, I told him in Russian, how are you, Tovarish Mikoyan. And he was so shocked, because I didn't look like a Russian, I looked like a fashion plate, and spoke English all the time. And all of a sudden, I deliberately--it was sort of a prank. He almost fainted. It was fantastic. I didn't make any secrets. I told about it in Dallas to everybody.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that was purely an adventure?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Oh, sure. It was just a prank, just for fun.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. You had no prior association with Mr. Mikoyan, or any member of the Russian mission when you went to Mexico--you had not anticipated the presence of the Russian mission?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. We didn't know that they were there, absolutely. George went on his business. It just happened to be that they had this exhibit there, and it happens to be that Mikoyan was there--I think they were offering a lot of money to the Mexican Government, and the Mexican Government refused it. They didn't take it. But they have been on friendly terms, they didn't quarrel about it--they just didn't accept it, they didn't accept his proposal.
And we happened to know about it because we had this friend, the presidential pilot.

Mr. Jenner.

I see. All right. We have obtained, either from you or from your husband, the marriage date of Alexandra.

Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That must be November 1959.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That happened within those 2 weeks we were in Mexico City.

Mr. Jenner.

You went from Panama to Haiti?