of my father and mother were killed, too. So we never had any conversation about it. We just were kept away from the whole thing.
And, beside, I deliberately stayed away from all of that. I said it is none of my business, I have never been there, I don't know what it is all about, I don't want to know anything about it. I don't want to be prejudiced to anything.
But after, later on, when I grew up and the revolution was necessary, it is just too bad it happened like that.
And I do hope that the country eventually will come out and become human again, and I think it is getting to be more and more human.
But it is still a far cry from freedom, from the freedom like we have. That was the most wonderful thing. When I came here--unfortunately, I landed in New York. I didn't want to, but my brother was in New York and he said you come right away to New York.
I love California, because of the climate. I like sunshine. So I came to New York, and New York, of course, was very depressing to me, because it was dirty. And I had an idea that all the white countries and white cities must be clean, because white people are not supposed to spit on the floor, and they don't throw papers around. They are supposed to be well mannered.
And then I came in in that awful New York. And, of course, I had almost no money. I had to use subways. It was very, very bad.
But then I saw all of a sudden on the street there is a gathering of people, somebody is standing and shouting and talking and saying anything he wants to. And I said, what is going on? They said he is just saying something--I forgot what it was all about. But how people were talking freely and expressing themselves openly.

Mr. Jenner.

They had a right to do that?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; And in China--you see, we were always--we never could say anything openly, for many reasons.
First, I don't know, but I assume there was a lot of Red spies probably everywhere. So we could never say too much.
Then there were Japanese that came over. We couldn't say anything again. So we were trained as children just to be quiet, never talk because you never know who may overhear, and then tomorrow goodbye, something will happen to you. That is the atmosphere that I was brought up in.
I wish my husband would be brought up in that atmosphere, because sometimes he says things--of course, being European, he likes to see Russia.
I said, yes, but not yet, because you would not last there for 2 days, you would be shot in 2 days. He doesn't feel that there is a place, places that you cannot be like he is. You just cannot do it. Maybe that is why he has so much trouble, because he just talks anything he wants to say, and people misinterpret it. People misinterpret it, and then they hear something, somebody repeated, already something else, and then they say he says something bad. This is really terrible. This is many, many times, you know. But he learned his lesson now. Living in Haiti we cannot talk very much, either, with Papa Doc. You know the regime there now. He is quite a dictator. He is going to be pronounced the king now, at the end of May. And, of course, there is tremendous opposition against it. It is not for our sake, but for our Haitian friends' sake, we cannot say anything.
So he learned a little bit of the atmosphere where you cannot talk.
He said--"I am so glad we went to Haiti, because I have no desire to go to Russia."
That was wonderful. It was music to my ears.
I said, "Now, you learn."

Mr. Jenner.

Well----
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. But some day I hope, anyway. I would like to see it. I would like to go down south to the Crimea which I understand is beautiful, the Black Sea. I would like to see all the world.
I saw quite a lot.
But I would like to see that, too.

Mr. Jenner.

Your brother, Sergei, he came over to this country, did he?
Mrs. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. What?

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