asked. But he was very proud about it. He resented when people gave something to Marina. Marina would take anything, you see---she would take anything from 5¢ up to anything. And the more the better. But Lee did not want to take anything. He had a very proud attitude. That is one of the reasons I sort of liked him, because of that. He was not a beggar, not a sponger.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you notice over the period of time you knew him developments of resentment on his part of, say, these people in the Russian colony who had come here and had established themselves to a greater or lesser degree?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; it was a very strong resentment on his part. It was almost an insane jealousy of people who succeeded where he could not succeed.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever have any discussions with him on that? How did you acquire this feeling?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That was again through my understanding of human nature, rather than from direct conversation. From hearsay, rather. You see, No. 1, for instance, the fact that he was so rude to the Clarks, because they lived very well. It is an insult in his face, the house that the Clarke have---very luxurious home, two cars, and so on and so forth. It is a slap in his face. This same thing that George Bouhe, a refugee, would give Marina $30 or $40 or a new baby crib, like that, like nothing. That was a slap in his face. The fact that I had a new convertible was a slap in his face. But he was not stupid enough just to say so. But you can feel that.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, it might have been---
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. And maybe George Bouhe, unfortunately annoyed him unintentionally with that.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that might be possible. George Bouhe my impression of him is that he is a direct man.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. George Bouhe's intention was to take Marina away from Oswald very soon--not for himself, but to liberate her from Oswald. That is a fact.

Mr. Jenner.

You had discussions with George Bouhe?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; he said, "We have to take this girl away from him," and this is one of the things that prompted us to take Marina and the child away from Oswald. We discussed all that with George Bouhe---to make her a little bit happier--maybe she will make another life for herself, and especially for the baby. I had lost my child, you know, just a year and a half before, or 2 years before. I am fond of babies. I wanted this baby to be happy and have some sort of a future.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you discuss with Oswald this subject of Marina acquiring a greater facility in the command of the English language?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And what was----
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. He said, "I don't want her to study English because I want to speak Russian to her, I will forget my Russian if I do not practice it every day." These are the words which I remember distinctly. And how many times I told him, "You have to let your wife learn English. This is a very egotistical attitude on your part."

Mr. Jenner.

Very selfish.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very selfish. He would not answer to that.

Mr. Jenner.

Did it occur to you as a possibility, or among others in the Russian colony, that he might have had another objective, and that is that she would return to Russia?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Never. That never occurred to me. I do not think that. Knowing Marina, she would never go back to Russia. She liked the United States. She liked the facilities of life here. Of course, you never know people. You cannot vouch for them. But that was our opinion. Maybe we simplified too much the matters. I do not know.

Mr. Jenner.

Did there come a time in the spring or the midwinter of 1963, latter part of January, and in February, in which there was any discussion, or you learned that Marina had made application to the Russian Embassy to return to Russia?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

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