What kind of threats?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, that he will beat the bell out of her. I think Marina told me that he threatened to kill her. It comes back to my mind, you see. You asked me yesterday a question, what actually precipitated us taking Marina and the little child away from Oswald.

Mr. Jenner.

You actually took Marina and the child away?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes. So what actually precipitated that? Something must have precipitated it. I cannot recall what it was. But now I seem to vaguely remember that Marina said that he would kill her, that he will beat her sometime so hard that he will kill her. So that is the reason we went out there and said--well, let's save that poor woman.

Mr. Jenner.

Where were they living then?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. They were living then at the first address in Oak Cliff--Ruth Street, I think. It is a two-story brick building.

Mr. Jenner.

Mercedes?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Ruth Street. I do not remember Mercedes Street.

Mr. Jenner.

Elsbeth?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Elsbeth--yes.

Mr. Jenner.

He never lived on any street by the name of Ruth.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. No.

Mr. Jenner.

Yesterday you adverted, I thought, to a concept that this man seemed--he responded when you would bring him into a conversation or situation.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

That he was somewhat egocentric in that respect?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Very much so. And that is probably the reason that he was clinging to me. He was clinging to me. He would call me. He would try to be next to me--because, let's face it, I am a promotor and a salesman. So I know how to talk with people. I usually do not offend people's feelings. When I talk to people, I am interested in them. And he appreciated that in me. The other people considered him, well, he is just some poor, miserable guy, and disregarded him.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I Would like to go into that a moment. It gradually developed, did it, .that the people in the Russian colony, their curiosity--they had curiosity at the outset, and they had interest at the outset.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

They met him at your home and other homes?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it you now suggest that after a while their interest in him waned?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It disappeared mainly; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And was it replaced by something else?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Dislike, mostly dislike, and fear.

Mr. Jenner.

What was the fear?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Especially on the part of a scary individual, like George Bouhe---he was actually physically afraid of him.

Mr. Jenner.

George Bouhe was?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. George Bouhe. He was actually physically afraid of him. He told me, "I am scared of this man. He is a lunatic." I said, "Don't be scared of him. He is just as small as you are."

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, but George Bouhe is a small man. You are a well-built, athletic, six foot-one. What did you weigh then?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. 185 pounds. I was not afraid of him, naturally, but George Bouhe was.

Mr. Jenner.

And that is not your nature, anyhow, that is not your personality as I observe you testifying.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes; he was that way, you know. Now, Max Clark naturally was not afraid of him because Max Clark himself is an athlete, an ex-colonel in the Air Force, I think. He just disliked him, and he said to hell with that fellow, because Lee was rude to him.

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