Mr. Gregory.

He got real mad, and then they ran in and they had the medical book written in Russian about baby care, and they went through it and I think the baby had a cut on its head, and Marina had a cut on her knee or something, and everything quieted down and we went out again, but it was a real hot moment.

Mr. Liebeler.

Other than the fact that you noted, is there any other reason why you said you thought he had a bad temper?

Mr. Gregory.

I heard afterward, after the last time I saw him, I heard reports about him beating her, from the Dallas acquaintances.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never saw any evidence of that yourself?

Mr. Gregory.

No. One time I went over and she had a black eye. At this time I had no suspicion, that--but possibly I never asked her where did you get the black eye.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you never had any reason to think that----

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

That he had been mistreating her, based on your own experience?

Mr. Gregory.

Later when I heard about this in Dallas, well I thought maybe it could have happened back there then.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are there any other reasons on which you base your opinion that he had a bad temper?

Mr. Gregory.

No, just personal judgment. He seemed to be a small person that is always ready to flare up. We always had very good relations. We were very friendly.

Mr. Liebeler.

Other than the fact that you think he had a bad temper, is there any other reason why you think the Soviets would not recruit him as an agent?

Mr. Gregory.

As I say again, I don't think he was very smart.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are there any other reasons?

Mr. Gregory.

No. Then, of course, his animosity which he expressed toward the Soviet.

Mr. Liebeler.

Towards the members of the Communist Party?

Mr. Gregory.

Yes. He didn't quite enjoy life over there, and it just didn't enter my mind that he could have been.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did it ever enter your mind?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is only after the assassination that you considered this question; is that correct?

Mr. Gregory.

Even then I never considered it seriously.

Mr. Liebeler.

But my question is: When did you consider it at all?

Mr. Gregory.

Only after, yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

After?

Mr. Gregory.

Yes. I think this might be important. More or less his philosophy, which I think came out, is that at the time I was interested in going and studying in the Soviet Union in our exchange program. We have an exchange where our University sends over students and they send over to ours, and I was interested in seeing how it was, how life would be, see if it would be too hard, and he says, he told me, "Just go over there. Don't get on a waiting list. You will never get there."
He said, "If you want to do something, go ahead and do it. You will get involved in red tape." And I think that was possibly the way he thought about everything.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever form an impression of Oswald, based on your association with him, form an opinion prior to the time of the assassination that he was mentally unstable, too, in any way?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

You did not? He did not appear to be that to you?

Mr. Gregory.

Let's say, I wouldn't classify him as evidently he was, but at the time I didn't think he was. I just thought he was, as I say, fairly hot tempered and not extremely brilliant.
But I never did think of him as mentally deranged. Maybe I saw him mixed up. He must have been mixed up to do what he did, as far as the assassination, but just going over to the Soviet Union----