Mr. Mamantov.

No--no--she said this way.

Mr. Jenner.

It isn't a conclusion, if you put the words in her mouth, so you can go ahead.

Mr. Mamantov.

No, she said the gun which he had in the Soviet Union, she didn't know how to say--she said, "This thing."

Mr. Jenner.

The telescopic sight?

Mr. Mamantov.

The telescopic sight--she pointed to it with her finger.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, did she say that the rifle or weapon, whatever it was he had in the Soviet Union--her recollection was it did not have a telescopic sight on it?.

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct. She was asked if she had seen this part of the gun which he had in the garage in the blanket--this she said again--she said, "No; I have only seen one part of the gun, which was the end of the gun"--which part they asked her--I think I am calling it----

Mr. Jenner.

The stock?

Mr. Mamantov.

She pointed to the stock---correct--and then she was asked about the gun again and she said, "Dark brown-black."

Mr. Jenner.

Still referring to the stock?

Mr. Mamantov.

Still referring to the stock, and then they asked her for a couple more questions, if she saw this particular gun in his possession. She insisted that to her all guns are the same and she couldn't distinguish this gun from any other gun that he had in the past.

Mr. Jenner.

In other words, it is your recollection that they questioned her very closely in an effort to elicit from her, if it weren't a fact that the weapon they were showing her was the weapon she had seen, and her responses consistently were they were, no matter how close or vigorous the examination, that all guns are alike to her, that the only thing she ever saw was the stock of the gun in the blanket?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And her recollection was it was dark brown, and that's all she thought, to fairly summarize?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct. They asked her again, "Is this the color you saw?" She said "Yes--yes, it reminds me of the same color." They particularly questioned her fairly close, if this was the same gun which belonged to him and she only insisted she saw the stock of the gun and hasn't seen the whole gun.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, go ahead.

Mr. Mamantov.

And they asked her, I think they came back again and asked her if she has seen him carrying something.

Mr. Jenner.

Carrying something?

Mr. Mamantov.

Carrying something, and she said, "No," she didn't see him leaving, so she didn't know if he was carrying something.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean they came back and asked her whether, when he left that morning he was carrying anything?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And her response was?

Mr. Mamantov.

She didn't see him leaving or walking out of the house, or whatever he was taking--means of transportation.

Mr. Jenner.

She didn't see him leave, so she doesn't know whether he had anything with him or not, is that a fair statement?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that a fair statement of her statements?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's exactly right.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they question her as to the details of his coming to Irving, Tex., the night before, and what did he bring with him, if anything, and what did he say as to why he was returning on Thursday night, whereas, he usually came on weekends, as on a Friday, did they go through that previous evening with her in detail and from point to point so that they could exhaust the movements of Lee Oswald that previous evening?

Mr. Mamantov.

No; if I remember right, they didn't question her to the extent of his arrival--well, I don't remember.