Mr. Mamantov.

That morning.

Mr. Jenner.

That morning--that she did go out to the kitchen that morning and she found that he had not prepared any breakfast?

Mr. Mamantov.

No; I'll put it this way. She apparently slept a little bit longer after he left, and when she got up and went into the kitchen she found out he didn't eat breakfast, which was surprising to her. From this I made my opinion that she usually prepared breakfast for him and she ate.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, sir; when you testified a moment ago that she said she usually prepared breakfast for him, were you then rationalizing from the circumstance you have just stated, or do you recall that she said that?

Mr. Mamantov.

I understood--here's my problem either I recall or I recall future instances from translating her life history.

Mr. Jenner.

It is important, Mr. Mamantov, for you to recall and to exclude from your mind--it is very difficult I appreciate and to exclude from your mind what you have learned and to exclude from your mind what you have learned afterwards; that is, after November 22d.

Mr. Mamantov.

I realize that.

Mr. Jenner.

What I am trying to get now is exactly to the best of your powers of recall, what was said on that occasion by her without your rationalizing from facts you recall as to what she might have said; do you understand?

Mr. Mamantov.

I understand. As far as I know, she said that he didn't return backward--I mean--come back to her-- she didn't get up at the time he was leaving. After a while she got up.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me; now, as a result of this further questioning it is your present recollection that at the time you were doing the translating you----

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

At the city police station, that she said was that he left the bedroom to make breakfast for himself, that he did not return to the bedroom, and she, because of being up during the night to care for the baby, she went back to rest or sleep and got up later on.

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she say that she then went into the kitchen?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And did she say what she found when she reached the kitchen?

Mr. Mamantov.

She found that the coffee wasn't--I mean, or, she thought he didn't eat.

Mr. Jenner.

He had not prepared breakfast, in fact----

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Mamantov.

Then, I also remember her saying, but I don't remember how the question was put to her, that she went into the garage to check her belongings which were stored in the garage, Mrs. Paine's garage, and she saw a grey blanket which appeared to her in a little bit different position than she remember it before.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she describe the configuration, shape form of the blanket?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's what I'm saying--I'll come to it. Then she was asked what was in that blanket before, why did she pay attention particularly to the blanket. She said he kept his gun in that blanket. Now, she also said--she was asked if she would remember the gun, how it looked, she said, "Probably--yes," she has seen not the whole gun but she has seen part of the gun wrapped in that grey blanket and at this moment the gun was brought in.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, she volunteered that when she got up and went to the kitchen, noticed that Oswald had not prepared any breakfast----

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

She then went to the garage; is that correct?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct, or she was led to that question, if she had gone to the garage, and she said continuously that "I went." I assume that she was led to that question when she stated that she went to the garage.

Mr. Jenner.

After she had inspected the kitchen?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she say whether Mrs. Paine was up and about at that time?