Mr. Voebel.

in business, I had to help them out in the shop, so my time was pretty scarce at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Lee ever own a weapon?

Mr. Voebel.

A real one?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Voebel.

Not that I know of.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you emphasized that word "real." Is there something there that you want to tell me about?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, he did own a plastic model of a .45.

Mr. Jenner.

A plastic model?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; and he showed that to me. I guess you want to know now about his plan for this robbery. Actually I wasn't too much impressed with the whole idea at first, because I had heard so much talk about stealing and robbing and things like that, that it really didn't bother me until he did shock me one day when he came up with a whole plan and everything that he needed for a burglary, you see.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me about that.

Mr. Voebel.

Well, we were over at Easton.

Mr. Jenner.

Easton High School?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; we were over there for some program that they were putting on for junior-high people, acquainting them with the high school.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that right at the time you were graduating from Beauregard?

Mr. Voebel.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

And he was preparing to graduate at the same time from Beauregard; right?

Mr. Voebel.

I think so.

Mr. Jenner.

Wasn't there a period when he dropped out of Beauregard altogether?

Mr. Voebel.

I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner.

Or was that at Easton?

Mr. Voebel.

I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner.

You don't remember that?

Mr. Voebel.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

You don't remember him being out of school entirely for about a year?

Mr. Voebel.

No; that might have been over at Easton. It could have been over there, I don't remember that at all.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, go on with your story.

Mr. Voebel.

Well, this program we had, that was a band concert, and we were listening to the band and I think this was when he revealed the plan for stealing this pistol from a place on Rampart Street.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he seek to enlist you in that plan?

Mr. Voebel.

No; not really, he just told me about it. He had observed a pistol in this window, this show window, on Rampart Street, and his plan was to steal it.

Mr. Jenner.

It wasn't one of these collector's items?

Mr. Voebel.

No; I don't think so. I can't remember the pistol, to tell you the truth, but I don't think it was a collector's piece. It was just a weapon. It might have been a Smith & Wesson. I think it was an automatic, but I don't remember. I really didn't pay too much attention to it.

Mr. Jenner.

You actually saw the pistol in the window?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes. To get back to my story, it was maybe the following week that I was up at his house, and he came out with a glasscutter and a box with this plastic pistol in it, and I think he had a plan as to how he was going to try to get in there and get this pistol.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean in the Rampart Street store?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes. Now, I don't remember if he was planning to use this plastic pistol in the robbery or not, or just to take it and cut the glass and break it out, and get the pistol that way. I don't think he was really sure even then how he wanted to do it, but finally he told me his complete plans and how he was going to cut the glass out of the window and everything, and