Mrs. Evans.

said, "I felt like I just wanted to come back," and he said, "You know, I like the old high ceilings and the trees and the French Quarter, and everything in New Orleans," and he said, "You know, in Russia the buildings are brand new," and we talked a little about Russia--not too much, but he did tell me how men over in Russia can't rent an apartment if they are not married; that they have to live in rooms, so many men to a room; that you have to be married to have an apartment; and he said that they were all modern, and they are given to you by the Government, but that you can only have an apartment if you are married; so we talked some more about Russia, and about him giving up his citizenship and things.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me what he said about giving up his citizenship. I want to hear all about that.

Mrs. Evans.

What he told me?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; what did he say about defecting to Russia; anything he said about that?

Mrs. Evans.

He said he didn't give up his American citizenship; that that was ridiculous. He told me that he just wanted to see the country over there, and he had gotten work over there, and that he had fallen in love with this girl, and we talked about the difference in the housing here and over there, and he told me that they didn't pay any rent, and they had a modern apartment, I think, about on the fourth floor.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say it was only one room; that there was only one room to this apartment?

Mrs. Evans.

Well, he said they had a living room, a bedroom, a dining room.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that what he said?

Mrs. Evans.

Yes; he said they had a nice place to live over there.

Mr. Jenner.

He said that?

Mrs. Evans.

Yes; he told me it was an apartment, but he said he had to live with other men in one room prior to the time he was married.

Mr. Jenner.

When he said apartment, you assumed that he meant several rooms--a bedroom, kitchen, and so forth; isn't that right?

Mrs. Evans.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

But you don't know that, do you, Mrs. Evans?

Mrs. Evans.

Oh, no; I don't know that. I have never been to Russia. All I know is what he told me.

Mr. Jenner.

But do you remember him distinctly telling you that his apartment had all of these rooms?

Mrs. Evans.

No; I don't remember that. He just said it was a modern apartment. I remember him saying that. It could have been just one room.

Mr. Jenner.

It could have been one room?

Mrs. Evans.

Well, like I say, I just don't know. He said it was a modern apartment, but other than that I don't know what else he said, I mean, whether he described it any more than that or not, or whether I even asked him any more about it.

Mr. Jenner.

But he did use the word "apartment," is that right?

Mrs. Evans.

Yes; he said they had an apartment; I remember that very plainly, and he said it was modern, but other than that I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

But he didn't describe the apartment, as far as you can recall?

Mrs. Evans.

That's right; I don't remember him doing that.

Mr. Jenner.

And he didn't deny at any time to you that he had attempted to defect, but that he had failed?

Mrs. Evans.

No; he said he never did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say he had not attempted to defect?

Mrs. Evans.

Well, he said that he did not want to give up his American citizenship, and that he never intended to do so. He said, "I am an American," and he said, "I just went over there, just messing around."

Mr. Jenner.

Did he express to you then or at any subsequent time his opinion of Russia and his reaction to the life he had in Russia?

Mrs. Evans.

Well, he didn't seem to think they had treated him too had. I guess he was just a young man in love with this Russian girl, but he did say now that he had decided not to come back to the States until he could bring her with him. He did say that, so from that conversation I gathered that he evidently