Mr. Voshinin.

in 1960. We don't know when they left because we were not on speaking terms at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Had there come about a break in friendship with De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes; but that was about the time when they left on their trip.

Mr. Jenner.

They were supposed to do what?

Mr. Voshinin.

To go by foot from Torreon on to Panama City. This is a city near the American border there and, as we were explained later by them, they went to Torreon. They have a lot of friends on the border, you know. There is particularly a very rich man there who is American married with a Mexican girl--a very rich man living near Eagle Pass.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall his name?

Mr. Voshinin.

Tito Harper, I think.

Mr. Jenner.

Harper? Tito Harper?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah; I think so. You can check it with my wife. I never met him but I met his wife. They're very nice people, very rich people, big businessman there on the border. They have, you know, business on both sides of the border, and they are big friends of George.
And, from there, he went to Torreon--I don't know why Torreon--and I understand that from there they started by foot to cross Old Mexico, Guatemala, San Salvador, and all the countries throughout by foot--having a mule and on the mule they had their, you know, their belongings, and a little mule and .a little dog, and the mule rode the dog--I mean, the dog rode the mule and that way they traveled, you know, badly dressed, through all those countries for more than a year. In order not to be killed, you know, they dressed very badly because it's dangerous. You know this already. They didn't go along the main highways, they went through the back passes, you know, through all the hills.
And they made a movie on their whole travel, which I saw. And, for example, they climbed the volcano which was in action up to the top---which was erupting. They made a movie of her standing from the lava flow as from here to the door (indicating a few feet.) And he made the movie it's real exciting--a colored movie and that red lava flowing--you know, these people are very adventurous and, of course, they enjoy doing things like that. I wouldn't climb it.
And, so, they finally came to Panama City. And then from Panama City they flew to Haiti where George had a very close friend---also a very rich man there of Russian background on Haiti.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he mention his name?

Mr. Voshinin.

He's dead now.

Mr. Jenner.

He's dead? Did he mention his name?

Mr. Voshinin.

Yes, he was--I'm bad on names. His first name was Michel--- which is Michael, of course, and what the second name is, I don't know--- Brightman. He was a very old man who was a local businessman on Haiti, and he died since.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

And as antireligious as they both were, they came to church and ordered a church service for Brightman. That was the only time she was in the church--because she's more antireligious than he is.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, when you say "she," you mean Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Voshinin.

Mrs. De Mohrenschildt--yes. Because he's not religious, not believing in God, but he's not fighting it. But she----

Mr. Jenner.

He's not antagonistic to religion but she is?

Mr. Voshinin.

She is. Yeah. But the only time she came and she cried in the church.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, which church is this? Here in Dallas or in Haiti?

Mr. Voshinin.

Here.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Voshinin.

When they came back, you see, from there, Brightman died after--pretty soon, and they came to the church---which puzzled our pastor very much, Father Royster---and they asked for a church service.