Mrs. Voshinin.

You know what he did? For some reason he would say--- "Would you like to get out into the corridor and meet me there and let's talk?" And we would say a few words and they would come and he would immediately cease talking, you know.
And then again, he would say it--and it was always in a crowd that he would like so to talk. I don't know. That was just funny behavior--really.

Mr. Jenner.

And this Fifth Petroleum Conference was when?

Mrs. Voshinin.

In 1959 end of May and beginning of June, I believe.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you going to tell us about the so-called second period of George De Mohrenschildt's career?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Well, I would call it the second period because, first of all, I must tell you that in between, somewhere in the middle of the second period, we were not on speaking terms with George and Jeanne for over a year. So, I cannot tell anything about that period.

Mr. Jenner.

Why?

Mrs. Voshinin.

That was--well, from some cracks they made. I mean---no-well, okay. It was a silly joke, I believe.
But Jeanne wanted to send a greetings telegram to Mr. Khrushchev, you know.
Now, I don't know whether I made it clear to the gentlemen from the FBI. So, I would rather say this now.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mrs. Voshinin.

But she never sent this telegram. George told me she never did send it. But, anyway, we were awfully angry at that--really angry. And it was just--all that constantly, you know, and their talking in left direction----

Mr. Jenner.

Their talking what?

Mrs. Voshinin.

In left direction, I mean. They were liberals, you know, and once in a while they were just unpleasant.

Mr. Jenner.

Was George De Mohrenschildt a liberal also, or was his wife the liberal?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Wife was a liberal, definite; but George would talk---could talk either way. George well, if he would, for example, think that he could knock you off your feet by saying something pro-Fascistic, he would do that.

Mr. Jenner.

Saying something what?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Pro-Fascistic, you know--pro-Nazi.

Mr. Jenner.

Pro-Nazi?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; he would do that by all means. If he knew that you are a middle-of-the-roader, he would praise Communists, you know. Communists---not communism. In fact, I never heard George not necessarily communism itself. In fact, I never heard George praising the Communists' doctrine even, you know, talking about it in several ways.

Mr. Jenner.

He was a provocative personality, was he?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Definitely.

Mr. Jenner.

He sought to provoke argument?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Exactly. And to say exactly the opposite. Something that you will disagree, and start arguing. Exactly.

Mr. Jenner.

He would take either side?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Either side.

Mr. Jenner.

Always opposite to the other person?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mrs. Voshinin.

And yet, somehow, you know, he had that definite sympathy for the--I would say, for the leftist regime; somehow--not in particular.

Mr. Davis.

I wonder if I might ask a question?

Mr. Jenner.

Sure.

Mr. Davis.

Did you all ever meet people named the Kelvin Fords?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Kelvin or Declan Ford? I met Declan Ford.

Mr. Davis.

I mean Declan. Excuse me.

Mrs. Voshinin.

Declan. Yes.

Mr. Davis.

Do you know them?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I don't know them very well. I knew her very well when