Mrs. Ray.

hear from Mrs. Ford he was rather cold man; that is remark she made to me and that is only thing I knew about it. We did not go into it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never discussed it with Marina?

Mrs. Ray.

No; I don't know; that is private subject. I would not discuss it with her. She never volunteer and I never did ask.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever hear any stories or rumors prior to the assassination or at anytime, for that matter, to the effect that Marina was remotely involved or interested in any of the people in the Russian group or colony or anybody prior to the assassination?

Mrs. Ray.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any reason to believe yourself that anything like that may have been the case?

Mrs. Ray.

No; no reason at all. I do not know who it could be; most are older people.

Mr. Liebeler.

There was nothing that you ever heard or had any reason to suspect about Oswald being abnormal, homosexual in anyway?

Mrs. Ray.

No, I did not know anything about it, nor did I suspect anything about that. I read someplace in newspaper something, trying to tie him in with something homosexual but I did not hear it from anybody at all.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you did not suspect it yourself?

Mrs. Ray.

No, no; I certainly did not. At least I did not think he looked like one; then I don't know what one looks like.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever have any information or knowledge to the effect that Oswald owned a rifle prior to the assassination?

Mrs. Ray.

No; in fact, I am surprised how in the world he could have bought it with as little money as he was making; how can you afford to buy a rifle.

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't think I have any more questions at this point. I want you to feel free to add anything that you think the Commission might want to know about or should know about.

Mrs. Ray.

I know I forgot something when she was at my house. Mr. George Bouhe and I took her out to lunch. Actually, George Bouhe took us out, her and me, to lunch.

Mr. Liebeler.

This was after the assassination?

Mrs. Ray.

No; this was when she was staying at my house in 1962. We were trying discuss what we were going to do with her because she had left her husband, with one child, could not speak English and both knew she could not go from one friend to another. First thing she had to do was speak little bit of English and I volunteered she could stay at my house as long as it is necessary and I will be talking to her in English very slowly and teach her as much as I could at the time and put her in night school where she could learn little bit more. Actually, it was just luncheon to decide what, not immediately, we are going to do for her later on, so as it turned out to be, Lee Oswald came and got her before we did anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was Marina there at the time?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; she went to lunch with me and George Bouhe.

Mr. Liebeler.

Bouhe finally gave up trying to help Marina and Oswald?

Mrs. Ray.

He was so disgusted when she went back with Lee. He would have done anything for her. He said "If she goes back, I wash my hands clean"; from then on, I don't know if he helped her or not. I know when I took him out there 2 weeks ago, he said "There's a woman living alone and here I am calling on her." I said "I will go with you, that will help you if you afraid." We went to store; she needed baby food; it amounted to $7, groceries, baby food.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was this?

Mrs. Ray.

About 2 weeks ago.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Bouhe paid for the groceries?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes, he said "I am 60 years old" he said, "I got diabetes. I have enough money- to live for 30 years. I know I won't be living here 30 years." She said "I have money." He said "I know but I have money, too." He is very generous whenever he hears someone comes to this country he is first one to help them. He helped Anna Meller go to school and Lydia Dymitruk; try to send her to school but he got tired of dragging her by the ear. She did not