Mrs. Ray.

"We don't need it." He didn't say it but that look was on his face. Marina thanked me for the clothes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Lee did not thank you for the clothes?

Mrs. Ray.

Didn't say a word. I hardly exchanged two words with him. I talked with him that the baby was beautiful, small talk is all it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Going back to the time that Lee came out to your house and talked with his wife----

Mrs. Ray.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You said Lee had told Marina he rented an apartment?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have an impression they did not have an apartment prior to that time?

Mrs. Ray.

I got impression that they did not.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you remember how you got that impression?

Mrs. Ray.

Because I asked Marina, you know, where he going to take her. He said he had rented apartment. I said "What kind of apartment?" She didn't say. She sounded to me like she didn't know what apartment was going to be. She had never lived in that apartment. Later on when I talked to her on everything she described apartment--"I have living room, bedroom, kitchen, and bathroom"--so I am almost certain that is the impression I am stuck with. I didn't know she had apartment. He just rented to get them back. I have no idea how long she had been with her friends after that day they fight. I know she was at Anna Meller's and then Mrs. Ford's and then my house and prior to that I had no idea where she has been.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to Mrs. Ford about the reasons for the Oswalds marital difficulties?

Mrs. Ray.

I asked her what was matter and she said he was mean to her; he beat her up and she left him because of that. I felt terrible sorry for her because Mrs. Ford described to me she could not speak English and didn't know anybody there. That's the only reason given to me that he struck her or beat her up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mrs. Ford didn't go into any greater detail as to what reason for beating her up?

Mrs. Ray.

No, no; when Marina came to my house I hated to butt in since she was only with me 1 day and 2 days and didn't spend night. I don't like to question somebody right away what is trouble, why did you leave--I am not that nosey.

Mr. Liebeler.

This was the first time you met Marina when you went to Mrs. Ford's to pick her up?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Had you heard about her prior to that time?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes, about a year before from Mrs. Ford. She said there is a new girl lives in Fort Worth; she just got here from Russia and, see, I am not sure about that time, year, 6 months, and I said "I would very much like to meet her to see how things are in Russia since it has been almost 20 years since I left Russia" at that time. Of course, I was very curious to find out if conditions had changed and what is going on now. I think it is no more than normal curiosity on my part.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any conversations with Anna Meller about why Marina came to stay with her or what the circumstances were?

Mrs. Ray.

None with Anna Meller, not about Marina's circumstances at all. I came to Mrs. Meller one time to pick up few things that Marina left over there and that was the same time when I went over to take the clothes to Marina's house. I picked up a few things at Anna Meller's house but she had company at the time So we didn't have a chance to talk. I just said hello, picked up the things and went to Oswald's place on Elsbeth.

Mr. Liebeler.

At the first time that you met Oswald himself was on the day that he came out to your house to talk to Marina----

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; at my house.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you recall and tell us to the best of your recollection what Oswald said at that time and what the conversation was?

Mrs. Ray.

My talk with him mostly just on--what did I talk to him about?