Mrs. Bates.

Well, I immediately lowered it to $2 an hour. I was anxious to get on it.

Mr. Jenner.

Why did you become anxious to get on it?

Mrs. Bates.

Well, anybody that had just come back from Russia and had notes, I would like to have seen them. And he didn't look like he had--he looked like a high school kid to me when he first came in. I thought he was just a kid.

Mr. Jenner.

Uh-huh.

Mrs. Bates.

And I do a lot of thesis work for college and high school students. And then I started asking him some questions--"Why did you go to Russia?"--and a few things like that. Some of 'em he'd answer and some of 'em he wouldn't.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, give me your best recollection of everything that was said on that occasion.

Mrs. Bates.

Well, I'm trying to get it in sequence.

Mr. Jenner.

Okay.

Mrs. Bates.

We agreed that I would start typing the notes--and he wanted an original and one carbon. But he would take the carbon--he wanted the original and one carbon and also take the carbon with him.

Mr. Jenner.

He didn't want to leave----

Mrs. Bates.

I couldn't keep a copy of anything.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you agree that you would do the job under those circumstances?

Mrs. Bates.

That's what he wanted--and my customers are always right.

Mr. Jenner.

Uh-huh.

Mrs. Bates.

Then, I asked him how come he had gone to Russia. I said, "It can't be very easy. How did you arrange it? Why did you want to go?"
And he said he had just gotten--he had gotten out of the Marine Corps and had taken elementary Russian--a course in elementary Russian.

Mr. Jenner.

Where?

Mrs. Bates.

While he was in the Marine Corps, as I understood him. He wasn't very talkative. And whenever I did get him to talk, I had to drag it out of him. He didn't talk voluntarily.

Mr. Jenner.

Uh-huh.

Mrs. Bates.

And that he had wanted to travel and so he applied to the State Department for a visa. And I asked him if he was an exchange student--if he went over as an exchange student. Sometimes--I didn't know. I was kinda ignorant about things like that.
He said, "No"--that the State Department finally agreed to let him go over, but they would not be responsible for him; he was granted a visa to go over there but the State Department refused to stand behind him in case he got in trouble or anything.
So, he went. And that's all I got out of him, then, about that.
And then we got busy and he opened this large package and he brought out the notes. And, as I said, they were on scraps of paper not even this big, some of them [indicating with finger], and some of them large pieces of paper, some of them were typed, some of them handwritten in ink and pencil. And he said that he had had to just do it when he could. And it was about the living conditions and the working conditions in Russia. And they were very bitter against Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

His writings were bitter against working conditions?

Mrs. Bates.

And living conditions. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say when he had prepared these notes?

Mrs. Bates.

Just whenever he could.

Mr. Jenner.

When in Russia?

Mrs. Bates.

Yeah. Oh, they were all done in Russia. And he smuggled them out of Russia. And he said that the whole time until they got over the border, they were scared to death they would be found, and, of course, they would not be allowed to leave Russia.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he imply that Marina was aware that he had these notes?

Mrs. Bates.

He didn't say. He just mentioned his wife once or twice in the 3 days he was up there. And, at the time----