Mr. Jenner.

Toward Communist principles?

Mr. Powers.

None that I recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Or Marxist doctrines?

Mr. Powers.

None that I recall; no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Or did he ever discuss those subjects with you or in your presence?

Mr. Powers.

I'm not sure. He didn't discuss them to any great length or to any issues that I would recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Nothing to excite you?

Mr. Powers.

Nothing that I would attach any political significance to.

Mr. Jenner.

And what was his attitude toward discipline in the Marine Corps? Was it antagonistic? Was it different in any degree from other marines?

Mr. Powers.

No; I don't think that it was. I think he was like any other marine, that he made his bed and now he was going to have to lie in it. He volunteered. A lot of complaining just as anyone else did. But nothing that you could say that was any different than any other individual. However, he, again going back to the incident that he did have, he was somewhat, if you want to call it, hostile, so to speak, to authority. He must have been--or he had something that would bother him that he would flare up once in a while.

Mr. Jenner.

He would?

Mr. Powers.

Well----

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me. Can you give me any incident----

Mr. Powers.

Well, just going back----

Mr. Jenner.

That would express that opinion?

Mr. Powers.

Well, in Japan or something, possibly in the barracks, I recall, or like in Biloxi, he had some scuffles. I said he was coming out of his shell, and showing more aggressiveness, but I wouldn't say that this guy is a trouble-maker. I would say that the opinion of him would be that you couldn't depend on him in a situation, that you could give him the responsibility, but then you couldn't really say that he would accept it, but you could be sure with other individuals; you knew that they would accept it, but I don't think that he did this only because he wasn't sure of himself. I think if you did give him authority and he realized what the position of authority was that he would accept it and he would probably pride himself in it.

Mr. Jenner.

But at least during this period of time, he hadn't reached the stage of dependability that you men of higher rank would rely on?

Mr. Powers.

Well, I wasn't in a position to delegate authority to him, but again, as I say, this is a personal opinion.

Mr. Jenner.

Did---in any conversation that you had with him or any conversations in your presence which he wasn't present in, was there anything mentioned about his being in Chicago?

Mr. Powers.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Or Milwaukee?

Mr. Powers.

I cannot say; I don't recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Or did he ever mention somebody by the name of Ruby, Jack Ruby or Rubenstein, Jack Rubenstein?

Mr. Powers.

No, sir; not to the best of my knowledge. I never heard that name associated with him.

Mr. Jenner.

Even when he was in Japan, did he tend to stay to himself by and large?

Mr. Powers.

I would say yes. I think that he did. Again I couldn't be sure because he was in a different crew, and they would be on liberty at a different time.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you ever recall him being intoxicated?

Mr. Powers.

Not distinctly; no. It seems to me that here again it's just a picture in my mind, that he would come in the barracks feeling good, and acting silly; so whether you would associate intoxication with it----

Mr. Jenner.

Did he ever get into any fights while you were over in Japan?

Mr. Powers.

Oh, he probably did; probably no more than any other individual in close relationship with the people that you are there with.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he ever talk about Gen. Robert E. Lee or any possible relationship that he may have had in the distant past or association by name or----

Mr. Powers.

It seems to me that there was--he was quite proud of Lee