Mr. Powers.

Yes. Something flared up, I believe, in Indonesia, somewhere in that area, and they held the squadron on the ship for a particular Period of time; and then there was another operation going to start in February or sometime, or March, and they just----

Mr. Jenner.

Of 1958?

Mr. Powers.

Yes, sir; instead of sending them back up to Japan, and then have to come all the way back again, they just put them ashore at Cubi Point. And they just set up a temporary base and continued the operation out of there. There was actually no radar site setup at that area, and we just got the gear and other materiel and trucks and apparatus and things, and equipment was repaired and made ready for the next operation.

Mr. Jenner.

And during your stay at the Philippines, were you ever at Subic Bay instead of Cubi Point?

Mr. Powers.

Cubi Point and Subic Bay are at close proximity. Cubi Point is the landing actually, and Subic Bay is the harbor, and you can almost call it one actual installation as far as I was concerned, but they were designated---Cubi Point was the landing strip and Subic Bay was the landing area.

Mr. Jenner.

In some of Oswald's autobiographical material prepared either then or later, he refers to the fact that it was at Subic Bay, and that doesn't appear in the official orders, and we wondered where he got that, and now you explained it for us.

Mr. Powers.

You traveled in between both, as far as they had the swimming paint there; I remember it was at Subic--isn't it S-u-b-i-c?

Mr. Jenner.

I don't want to say it.

Mr. Powers.

I thought it was Subic; I'm probably wrong.

Mr. Jenner.

I won't say that you're wrong. I think you're right. It's Cubi Point and Subic Bay.

Mr. Powers.

Yes; there was actually one installation in my mind. They were separated, but one was the harbor for the ships and the other was for the aircraft.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, was the same group that we that you described earlier that came from Jacksonville, Fla., still together at Cubi Point when you rejoined the squadron?

Mr. Powers.

All but certain elements. I think the people in my particular group that originated in Jacksonville, the only people that were left was Schrand, Oswald, and myself. And the rest of them were dispersed in Japan or the Far East area or in the United States somewhere.

Mr. Jenner.

And did an incident occur with respect to Mr. Schrand?

Mr. Powers.

Yes; he was--this happened after I arrived from the Japanese mainland. He was on guard duty one evening and he was shot to death. Now, I have never seen the official report or anything, but the scuttlebutt at that time was that he was shot underneath the right arm and it came up from underneath the left neck, and it was by a shotgun which we were authorized to carry while we were on guard duty.

Mr. Jenner.

Were these also sometimes called riot guns?

Mr. Powers.

Riot guns; yes. And that is the only thing that--significance I attach to it other than he was either leaning against the shotgun or was fooling with it, but he was shot anyway.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there you don't know what the official finding was with respect to----

Mr. Powers.

No; I do not. I never had access to anything of this nature.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there any scuttlebutt about it?

Mr. Powers.

No; other than that he was fooling with the weapon. Other than that, we couldn't--as I recall, we could never realize how a 'guy could have shot himself there other than he was leaning on it this way [indicating], and "boom," it went off.

Mr. Jenner.

As far as you boys were concerned at that time, was there any scuttlebutt or speculation about anyone of you being involved in that incident?

Mr. Powers.

Not to my recollection at all.

Mr. Jenner.

When I say "you," that includes Oswald.

Mr. Powers.

Not that I know of; no, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Weren't there some instructions in connection with the use