Mr. Delgado.

later that these two guys from the United States, working for the mathematicians, something like that, defected, taking the Same route that Oswald had told me about. I remember him explaining to me, and he had drawn out a regular little map on a scratch paper showing just how you go about doing it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Oswald did this?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your recollection is that he mentioned two men who also defected to Russia at that time?

Mr. Delgado.

The same route; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

But the FBI man said that didn't happen until a year afterwards?

Mr. Delgado.

A year later.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you checked up on this to find out when these men did defect?

Mr. Delgado.

No. I took it for granted they had the scoop, you know. I assume that I may have been interpreting these events and running the two together. But in my estimation I don't think it was possible. I remember him at the time mentioning two men that had defected, and we were wondering how they got there, and he said this is how he would get there, now.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he say these two men had gone from the United States into Mexico into Cuba?

Mr. Delgado.

He said, "This is the route they took. This is the way I would go about it. This is the way they apparently did it." Something to that effect.

Mr. Liebeler.

Your recollection isn't too clear on that?

Mr. Delgado.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you do recall that Oswald mentioned that if he were going to go to Russia, that he would go to Mexico and then to Cuba?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, you read in the newspapers after the assassination that Mexico?

Mr. Delgado.

Yes; that he was in Mexico for a while on vacation or something like that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Delgado.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you read in the newspaper that Oswald had gone to Mexico with the idea in mind of going on to Cuba?

Mr. Delgado.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

You had never read that in the newspaper?

Mr. Delgado.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't know that before now?

Mr. Delgado.

No; outside of him being in Russia, and he went to Mexico on his own. From Texas I think he went to Mexico. And I didn't know him to cross over into Cuba.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, now, I am not saying that he actually went to Cuba.

Mr. Delgado.

Or had any----

Mr. Liebeler.

I am saying he went to Mexico with the intention of going to Cuba.

Mr. Delgado.

I didn't read that far.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't read that?

Mr. Delgado.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

So there is no chance that you read this later and are confusing this as something that Oswald said before?

Mr. Delgado.

No. This was definitely said then, in 1959, and according to the FBI records this supposed same route or near to the same route was done in 1960 or 1961.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you and Oswald ever talk about religion?

Mr. Delgado.

He was--he didn't believe in God. He's a devout atheist. That's the only thing he and I didn't discuss, because he knew I was religious.

Mr. Liebeler.

He knew that you are religious?

Mr. Delgado.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are religious?