Mrs. Murret.

Well, the boy that's in the seminary, he did a little duck hunting occasionally, but that's about all.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your boys ever have shotguns or rifles around your house?

Mrs. Murret.

Oh, they had a small rifle in my locker.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know what that rifle looked like?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; just an ordinary rifle. It wasn't an expensive rifle. It could have been just a plain shotgun, I guess. In fact, I think, if I can remember back, I think Gene, when he was duck hunting once, almost shot his hand off.

Mr. Jenner.

But you don't remember seeing any package, any oblong package, out in the garage among those things that Lee had brought in there?

Mrs. Murret.

No; I didn't.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you have any conception of what a rifle would look like when it is disassembled, what the barrel separated from the stock looked like, and so forth?

Mrs. Murret.

No; I'm afraid I don't know anything about rifles.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Now, we are on the 11th of September, and Marina and Mrs. Paine have arrived at your home. Now, will you tell me about that?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, they arrived that afternoon. We brought Lee to the apartment that morning, and Lee stayed at the apartment and came back later during the day, and I said to Lee, "Well, suppose we go out and buy some eggs and have your refrigerator stocked," and he had said "Oh, don't worry about that; I will get all of that. I will have all of that in." In other words, you couldn't help him, so then he came over to the house, and I planned on having a lunch for Marina and Mrs. Paine, and they came on in with the baby, so there was Mrs. Paine with her two children, Mr. Murret, and I guess Marilyn was in the back getting ready to go out.

Mr. Jenner.

Marilyn is your daughter?

Mrs. Murret.

Marilyn is my daughter; yes.

Mr. Jenner.

She is a young lady who was here this morning with you?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, she was getting ready to go out. She had an appointment with someone, so they came in and when I saw the baby, I forgot who else was there. I said, "Well, she's darling," you know, and the baby began to cry and it cried and cried, and Marina took it to the kitchen and took care of her, and I think John was there.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean your son John?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; I think he was there.

Mr. Jenner.

Had Lee arrived in the meantime?

Mrs. Murret.

Lee had arrived; oh, yes, he was there. So finally Lee said, "Well, let's go over to the apartment," and so they all got ready to leave, and Mr. Murret said he would lead the way because they didn't know the way. He said, "I will lead the way to this place," so that's the way they went over there. Mr. Murret, my husband, took Lee with him, I think that's right, and Mrs. Paine drove the others over in her car.

Mr. Jenner.

From the time that Mrs. Paine drove off from your home, did you see Mrs. Paine any more?

Mrs. Murret.

No, sir; I never saw Mrs. Paine any more.

Mr. Jenner.

How soon after that did you see Lee and Marina and the baby?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, you see, I don't drive myself, and I wanted them to come over, but they didn't have a car and they didn't want my husband to go and get them, so it was 2 weeks before I saw them again. But one Saturday morning about 2 weeks after they moved over there, Lee came over with Marina and the baby, which is a very long way they had to come by streetcar and bus, and it must have taken them a long time, because they were living up on Magazine Street, and that's a pretty long way out to my house. From Canal Street up to the 4900 block of Magazine Street, that's 49 blocks, and then from my house to Canal it must be 50 blocks.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean it was 99 blocks distance from your house to their house?

Mrs. Murret.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, go ahead.

Mrs. Murret.

Well, they made this trip by streetcar and bus, and we didn't