Mr. Jenner.

Did you and Lee have any interest in the Civil Air Patrol?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; I think I got him interested in it. We got to talking about it and I told him as much as I knew about it, and I think he attended maybe one or two meetings, and I think he even subsequently bought a uniform, and he attended at least one meeting that I remember, in that uniform, but after that he didn't show up again.

Mr. Jenner.

He just attended two meetings of the CAP?

Mr. Voebel.

Two or three meetings, I would say.

Mr. Jenner.

And that's all he attended?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes, He lost interest after that, I think.

Mr. Jenner.

Who was the majordomo of the CAP unit that you attended?

Mr. Voebel.

I think it was Captain Ferrie. I think he was there when Lee attended one of these meetings, but I'm not sure of that. Now that I think of it, I don't think Captain Ferrie was there at that time, but he might have been. That isn't too clear to me.

Mr. Jenner.

Lee did buy a uniform to attend these CAP meetings and join the unit?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; he bought a uniform and everything, and he seemed to be very interested at the outset. He even got a paper route, I think it was, or something, to get enough money together to buy the uniform; he was that interested, and that's why I thought it strange when he didn't attend any more meetings.

Mr. Jenner.

You thought that was strange?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes. After all this happened, and, of course, this is my opinion now, I guess--not then, but I think now maybe he liked the uniform to wear more than he did like going to the school, with those classes that we had.

Mr. Jenner.

You had classes at these meetings of the CAP unit?

Mr. Voebel.

Oh, yes; we had classes, and maybe that was the thing that Lee didn't care for, because after those couple of meetings he just didn't show up any more.

Mr. Jenner.

Did these classes at the CAP unit that you attended require some study?

Mr. Voebel.

Yes; they did.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Lee ever talk to you about himself and his history, of his earlier life?

Mr. Voebel.

His "history"?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; his background--anything about his family before he ever met you?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, he mentioned the fact about his father dying, but he didn't talk about much else; I mean about when he was younger, or anything like that. Maybe he might have mentioned about coming here from Texas, and things like that, you know, at different times, but I don't recall all of that now. I got the impression somewhere that he wasn't born here, and I got the impression that he was from Texas at that time, but, of course, that wasn't correct, as I learned after all this happened. But, I mean, we didn't sit around talking about things like that. We were more interested, I guess, in things at school and things that were going around, more up to date, I guess you would say.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he talk to you at all about his life in Texas, or to anyone in your presence, that you recall?

Mr. Voebel.

No. I mean, he might have mentioned it at different times, just as a passing remark, or something. You know how that is, but if he did it has just slipped my mind, because it wasn't anything that would impress me so that I would remember it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you attend these CAP meetings once a week or twice a week, or how often?

Mr. Voebel.

Twice a week, and now that I think of it, Lee might have actually attended two or three meetings. It seems like he maybe attended two or three of them, but anyway he quit then, all of a sudden. He just quit coming, so I figured he had lost interest in the whole thing.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you have any idea what made him quit attending those classes?

Mr. Voebel.

Well, as I remember, we were having classes then on the