Mr. Jenner.

So then that was the circumstance, as you knew it, after Robert got out of the service?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; and came to New Orleans. She thought he might live here and work and help support the family.

Mr. Jenner.

But he didn't like New Orleans?

Mrs. Murret.

That's right. He said all his friends were in Texas, and he wanted to move over there.

Mr. Jenner.

He said he wanted to live in Texas where his friends were?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; that's what he said. He said Texas was his home, not New Orleans.

Mr. Jenner.

And so they moved to Texas?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; and shortly after that--I forget when--but Robert married, and I didn't even know he was married.

Mr. Jenner.

You didn't even know that?

Mrs. Murret.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

What kind of boy was Robert?

Mrs. Murret.

I don't know too much about Robert. After they moved away, I didn't know too much about Robert, and I didn't know John too well either. There's one thing. Robert and John, they never recognized one another as brothers.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me about that.

Mrs. Murret.

They were stepbrothers, but having lived together from real small children, you would think that they would love one another as brothers, you know. You would think being small children, they would accept each other as brothers and wouldn't think anything about being halfbrothers or stepbrothers.

Mr. Jenner.

Except they had two different names, Pic and Oswald; right?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell me this, Mrs. Murret: do you think that the fact that your sister Marguerite insisted on John Edward Pic retaining his Pic name despite the fact that her husband Oswald wanted to adopt him, contributed to that feeling between the two boys?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, I don't think, because John was 2 years old when she married Oswald, and then Robert was born a few years after that, so I don't think that would bring that about, but that's what she told me, that Oswald wanted to adopt John, and she said, "No; John has a father, and his name is Pic, and let's leave it at Pic and let the father contribute to him."

Mr. Jenner.

Well, perhaps I didn't frame my question right. You were under the impression that the boys were conscious of the difference in the name Pic as against Oswald, weren't you?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And you do recall that each regarded the other as his brother; isn't that right?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, I think Lee loved Robert a lot, but maybe he wasn't too fond of John. In a different way maybe he didn't love John as much as he did Robert. That's just what I think.

Mr. Jenner.

How did John and Robert get along?

Mrs. Murret.

I don't know. I was never in their presence too much at that age. I kept them when Mrs. Oswald gave birth to Lee, but they were little then, you know, and they seemed to be getting along all right. I had them for about a week, and I remember sitting outside and they were saying that it had better not be a girl. "Because we don't want any girls in this family."

Mr. Jenner.

Oh well, that was boy talk, was it not?

Mrs. Murret.

Oh, yes; but they did say, "It had better not be a girl."

Mr. Jenner.

When did you first become aware that Lee had entered the Marines?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, not until he came in that Saturday.

Mr. Jenner.

When he wanted to be stationed at Keesler Field?

Mrs. Murret.

That's right, that's what he said when he came through on a Saturday, but then I never heard any more from Lee at all.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you have already touched on some information regarding