Mr. Ball.

Started back up the aisle?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Towards you?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

And what did you see him do?

Mr. Applin.

Well, he stopped and asked two boys sitting down in the front, asked them to stand up and----

Mr. Ball.

Did he search them?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir; they shuffled them down.

Mr. Ball.

Did he search you?

Mr. Applin.

No, sir; they came on up to Oswald, where he was sitting.

Mr. Ball.

Where was he sitting?

Mr. Applin.

I--he was sitting, I guess, about 3 or 4 rows down.

Mr. Ball.

You mean from the rear of the theatre?

Mr. Applin.

From the rear.

Mr. Ball.

And how far over from the aisle?

Mr. Applin.

I guess that would be about three seats. They was sitting about two or three seats.

Mr. Ball.

What did you see him do?

Mr. Applin.

He started off, the officer said, "Will you stand up, please?" And he stood up.

Mr. Ball.

How close were you to the officer and this man when you heard the officer say, "Stand up"?

Mr. Applin.

I guess it was about--it was not over four seats down from the back, rear.

Mr. Ball.

Were you at the rear?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir; I was at the rear of the show.

Mr. Ball.

You were at the rear of the show?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir; well, there was a partition here. A partition here [indicating], and there was about, oh, I guess about four rows down from me.

Mr. Ball.

All right. In other words, the officer hadn't reached you yet, when he asked Oswald to stand up?

Mr. Applin.

No, sir.

Mr. Ball.

You stood up and went toward the rear of the theatre, did you?

Mr. Applin.

Yes.

Mr. Ball.

And going to ask the officer what was going on?

Mr. APPLIN. Yes, sir.

Mr. Ball.

Then, you were about four rows away from where Oswald was----

Mr. Applin.

Apprehended.

Mr. Ball.

And did you hear the officer, what he said?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir; heard mainly what both of them said.
Mr. BALL. What did the officer say?

Mr. Applin.

The officer said, "Will you stand up, please."
Mr. BALL. What did the man say?

Mr. Applin.

Well, he just stood up.

Mr. Ball.

Did he say anything?

Mr. Applin.

No, sir; I didn't hear him say anything at that time.

Mr. Ball.

And what happened then?

Mr. Applin.

Well, when he stood up, the officer stepped over to search him down. The officer, Oswald, or the man, took a swing at him. When he did, the officer grabbed him.

Mr. Ball.

Took a swing at him with his fist?

Mr. Applin.

Yes, sir; he did.

Mr. Ball.

With his left or right?

Mr. Applin.

Right fist.

Mr. Ball.

Took a swing at him and what happened then?

Mr. Applin.

Well, the officer, I heard him say, "Here he is." And during the proceeding of that, I guess about 5 or 10 seconds later, there was another--I think it was two officers, or one, passed me and ran down there to him.

Mr. Ball.

Did you see a gun?

Mr. Applin.

Well, the gun didn't come into view until after about four or five officers were there.