Mr. Zapruder.

Firemen's and Policemen's Benevolence with a suggestion for Mrs. Tippit. You know that?

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't know that--you received $25,000?

Mr. Zapruder.

$25,000 was paid and I have given it to the Firemen's and Policemen's Fund.

Mr. Liebeler.

You gave the whole $25,000?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes. This was all over the world. I got letters from all over the world and newspapers---I mean letters from all over the world. It was all over the world--I am surprised--that you don't know it--I don't like to talk about it too much.

Mr. Liebeler.

We appreciate your answer very much.

Mr. Zapruder.

I haven't done anything, the way I have given it, at a time like this.

Mr. Liebeler.

I want to tell you, you may not be aware of it yourself, but I want to tell you that your film has been one of the most helpful things to the work of the Commission that we could possibly have had because it has enabled us to study the various positions of the people in the car and to determine by comparing it with the reenactment--by comparing it to the view from the window of the building, to develop with a fair degree of accuracy the facts here.

Mr. Zapruder.

I understand--and I am willing to be helpful but I am sorry it had to be on an occasion like this. I am willing to be helpful but I wish this would never have happened.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Zapruder.

I know they have taken my camera to Washington.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was a Bell & Howell camera, isn't that right?

Mr. Zapruder.

That's right

Mr. Liebeler.

And you turned it over to the FBI and they have made tests on it?

Mr. Zapruder.

Yes; and then Bell & Howell wanted it for their archives and I thought they were through with it and let them have it. In return, they gave me, not for my personal use, but a sound projector which was given to the Golden Age Group. It's a place where old folks have a home. I asked them to donate something. I didn't want the camera. I didn't want anything for myself. Then the FBI wanted the camera again and I referred them to the Bell & Howell people.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; the FBI asked for the camera back because the Commission wanted to determine whether there was any difference in the frame speed as the camera unwound itself, as it went along.

Mr. Zapruder.

Well, they claimed they told me it was about 2 frames fast--instead of 16 it was 18 frames and they told me it was about 2 frames fast in the speed and they told me that the time between the 2 rapid shots, as I understand, that was determined--the length of time it took to the second one and that they were very fast and they claim it has proven it could be done by 1 man. You know there was indication there were two?

Mr. Liebeler.

Your films were extremely helpful to the work of the Commission, Mr. Zapruder.

Mr. Zapruder.

I am only sorry I broke down--I didn't know I was going to do it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Mr. Zapruder, I want to thank you very much, for the Commission, for coming down. It has been very helpful.

Mr. Zapruder.

Well, I am ashamed of myself. I didn't know I was going to break down and for a man to--but it was a tragic thing, and when you started asking me that, and I saw the thing all over again, and it was an awful thing--I know very few people who had seen it like that--it was an awful thing and I loved the President, and to see that happen before my eyes---his head just opened up and shot down like a dog--it leaves a very, very deep sentimental impression with you; it's terrible.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, you don't have to feel ashamed about that at all, and thank you very much. I enjoyed meeting you very much.

Mr. Zapruder.

All right, any time you want some more help you can call on me and I will be glad to come in.

Mr. Liebeler.

All right, thank you a lot.

Mr. Zapruder.

Goodbye.

Perdue William Lawrence