Mr. Walthers.

I picked up all of these file cabinets and what all of them contained, I don't know myself to this day.

Mr. Liebeler.

As I was sitting here listening to your story, I could see where that story might have come from--you mentioned the "Fair Play for Cuba" leaflets that were in a barrel.

Mr. Walthers.

That's right--we got a stack of them out of that barrel, but things get all twisted around.

Mr. Liebeler.

There has also been a story, some sort of story that you were supposed to have found a spent bullet.

Mr. Walthers.

Yes; that's what the story was in this book, and man, I've never made a statement about finding a spent bullet.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you never found any spent bullet?

Mr. Walthers.

No; me and Allan Sweatt 2 or 3 days after the assassination did go back down there and make a pretty diligent search in there all up where that bullet might have hit, thinking that maybe the bullet hit the cement and laid down on some of them beams but we looked all up there and everywhere and I never did find one. I never did in all of my life tell anybody I found a bullet other than where it hit.

Mr. Liebeler.

Also, actually, if you were standing down here in front of this building on Main Street at the time the shots were fired, I suppose you could have seen down there to this railroad track trestle that goes over the underpass did you have occasion to look down there at any time?

Mr. Walthers.

No; it never even entered my mind, and knowing how this thing is arranged and I have chased a couple of escapees across the thing before, and knowing what was over there, the thought that anyone was shooting from back in here I've heard some people say he was behind the fence, and I'm telling you, it just can't be, because it's a wide open river bottom area as far as you can go.

Mr. Liebeler.

It's a river bottom?

Mr. Walthers.

Yes; and the thought that anyone would be shooting off of there would almost be an impossible thing--- there's no place for him to go---there's nothing.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, you certainly never saw anybody firing from the tops of those railroad tracks, I mean, you never told anybody you saw someone firing from up there?

Mr. Walthers.

No, sir; not at all.

Mr. Liebeler.

You never told anybody that one of the shots had come from the top of those railroad tracks either; is that right?

Mr. Walthers.

Never.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you sure that what .you saw there on the curb was a ricochet mark or could you clearly identify that in your own mind?

Mr. Walthers.

Yes; it was a fresh ricochet mark. I have seen them and I noticed it for the next 2 or 3 days as it got grayer and grayer and grayer as it aged.

Mr. Liebeler.

What curb was it on?

Mr. Walthers.

It would be on the south Main Street curb---it would be on the south side of Main.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, looking at Commission Exhibit No. 354 here and I am looking at--looking specifically at spot No. 9 on that exhibit, it would have been directly east up Main Street on the north curb at No. 9, is that right?

Mr. Walthers.

Yes, and about--I could step this off here---just about this distance from the underpass on the curb.

Mr. Liebeler.

About 12 or 15 feet or something like that?

Mr. Walthers.

I imagine about 10 or 11 feet.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, here's a picture that has been marked Tague Exhibit No. 1 and I have never even been able to figure out which way it is supposed to be. looked at, but It purports to be a picture of a ricochet mark on this curb down there, does that look anything like what you saw down there?

Mr. Walthers.

Yes, a little at one end where it first hit and then went to the left. This would be---this was shaded from the sun by someone's hand, evidently. This would actually be the curb---this would be the street right here [indicating].

Mr. Liebeler.

The lower part--the black part of the dark colored part?