Mr. Barnett.

I don't see any use in being instructed on that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, regardless of that fact----

Mr. Barnett.

There was no instructions; no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now from where you were standing at position 1 prior to the motorcade's arrival, you were in a position to view the windows on the entire south side of the Texas School Book Depository Building; were you not?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you look up at those windows?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many times did you look up at those windows before the motorcade came? Can you tell us with what frequency?

Mr. Barnett.

I looked up twice. Maybe once at 11, probably a few minutes after 11--probably a few minutes after 11. It was raining part of the morning, and when I found out that the people in the building were going to come outside and watch the President, I looked up at the building, and then I looked at all the buildings, and there were no windows that I noticed open then. But after a few minutes before the President came by, I didn't look any more. I started watching the crowd.

Mr. Liebeler.

So just before the motorcade approached, you moved over and also stopped the automobile traffic and were observing the crowd, so you did not look at the windows on or about the time the motorcade came?

Mr. Barnett.

I couldn't. I was too busy. [Referring to picture.] I got this in the wrong place. It needs to be about this position right here, instead of here. I was right here. I got it too far, but I could see the President's car from the position I was, so I had to be right here [pointing].

Mr. Liebeler.

You are satisfied you were further out into the intersection?

Mr. Barnett.

Right there [indicating].

Mr. Liebeler.

[Marking]. In the general vicinity of No. 9?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes, sir; the car passed within a few feet of me, and I was holding some people, or seeing that they stayed back, and one small boy started. I was afraid he was going to get too close and I stopped him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now the motorcade made the turn onto Elm Street from Houston Street, and you were standing at approximately in position No. 9, and you indicated before that you heard the shots fired; is that right?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

How many shots did you hear?

Mr. Barnett.

Three.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there any echo in the area from where you were standing?

Mr. Barnett.

What do you mean by echo? You mean another sound besides the shots?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Barnett.

No; I didn't hear any echo. The whole sound echoed. The sound lingered, but as far as just two definite distinct sounds, when each shot was fired, that one sound would linger in the air, but there would be nothing else until the next shot.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see any of the shots hit the President?

Mr. Barnett.

Well, when the first shot--I was looking at the President when the first shot was fired, and I thought I saw him slump down, but I am not sure, and I didn't look any more then. I thought he was ducking then.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now when you were standing up there in position No. 9, you were in a spot where you could look fight down Elm Street and see the railroad tracks down here which pass over the triple underpass?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you see anybody on the railroad tracks?

Mr. Barnett.

One or two officers. Two officers, I believe.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there anybody else, as far as you can recall?

Mr. Barnett.

That is all I saw.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have an opinion when you heard the shots as to where they came from?

Mr. Barnett.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did you think about them?

Mr. Barnett.

When the first shot was fired, I thought it was a firecracker, and