Mr. Liebeler.

And you didn't see anybody standing on the overpass with a firearm of any kind?

Mr. Altgens.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't think I have any more questions, Mr. Altgens, unless you can think of something else that you think would be significant that I haven't thought to ask you about, I think we can terminate the deposition.

Mr. Altgens.

No, sir; I can't think of anything---it seems like we have covered it pretty well.

Mr. Liebeler.

Thank you very much for coming in.

Mr. Altgens.

You are welcome, sir---I was glad to do it and I hope that whatever I've had to say will be of some help.

Mr. Liebeler.

I think it will.

Mr. Altgens.

Let me tell you this off the record, because it doesn't matter, but you notice Mr. Switzer, the FBI agent that came out---he and his partner---and talked with me, he brought up this Bonafede to me the name and then he asked me if I knew somebody else, a woman columnist in a Chicago newspaper.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes?

Mr. Altgens.

And then showed me a clipping where she too had referred to me in the taking of a picture and I also received a .telephone call from a John Gold who is, I guess, a correspondent connected with the London Daily News. I got a call from him on the Thursday night about 11 or 11:30 at night, asking me what that story was all about because----

Mr. Liebeler.

The Magy Daley story or the Bonafede story?

Mr. Altgens.

No; this was the Bonafede story, because they had put it on television--as a teaser to sell publications and the public on the upcoming Sunday--the Sunday publication.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; the New York Tribune.

Mr. Aliens.

And gee, I didn't know what to tell the guy because I didn't know Bonafede had written, but Bonafede talked with me. I asked him and I said, "Are you going to quote me on anything I say?" And, he says, "Well, if I do quote you, I'll call you back and ask you for your permission," and I said, "Swell."

Mr. Liebeler.

Of course, he did quote you and he didn't call you back?

Mr. Altgens.

Well, I got a copy of the thing---I didn't gather from the article he was quoting me on anything in particular other than to say that I was a witness and I hadn't been called to testify before the Commission or questioned by the FBI or the Secret Service, but I don't think that he really tied any information to me in the course of writing the story, but it was real strange the way the thing unfolded. I had tried previously to get my bureau chief to give me permission to notify the Warren Commission or someone to let them know I had been in the area, not that my testimony would be of much value, but still if it could be of just a little bit of help I wanted to do what I thought was right, and my boss never got permission for me to do that, and that's why I never did step forward, because I had no authority. Really, I didn't feel that I could act on my own. I wanted to wait until someone gave me authority to do it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, your testimony has been helpful to the extent that it helps to establish the timing of the shots and I'm glad you gave it to us.

Mr. Altgens.

Well, I wish I had been able to give this information to you the next day when it was fresh on my mind because 6 months or so later, sometimes the facts might be just a little bit off and I hate to see it that way.

Mr. Liebeler.

All right. Thank you very much for coming.

Harry D. Holmes
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Testimony of Harry D. Holmes

The testimony of Harry D. Holmes was taken at 2 p.m., on July 23, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.